D.P. 9.02 dispo on MOTU Site

[bayswater]

And with DP it more important because there's almost no third party help available. Groove 3 has two videos for DP8 and one for DP9 that's basically a video 'what's new' and not a description of hot to use the new stuff in DP9.

There is a little more than than, although not a lot. Macprovideo, Tutorialdepot and Askvideo cover DP 8, and there are the books Magic Dave did from Hal Leonard.

[musicman691]

And with DP it more important because there's almost no third party help available. Groove 3 has two videos for DP8 and one for DP9 that's basically a video 'what's new' and not a description of hot to use the new stuff in DP9.

There is a little more than than, although not a lot. Macprovideo, Tutorialdepot and Askvideo cover DP 8, and there are the books Magic Dave did from Hal Leonard.

That's all well and good but that's old material. What is really needed is updated material for DP9. There's so much that's new or different in DP9 the old material only helps a smidgen to get the barest of bones usage out of DP. What's needed is a DP9 version of the Power series of books.

What can really make a pdf version of the manual a great resource is the ability to hyperlink to other pages in the manual or maybe even to web material. But heck MOTU can't even properly link what's in the existing manual from the index at the back for instance. If I could work it from home I'd re-do the manual for MOTU; I have no urge to move to Taxachusetts

[mikehalloran]

That's all well and good but that's old material. What is really needed is updated material for DP9. There's so much that's new or different in DP9 the old material only helps a smidgen to get the barest of bones usage out of DP. What's needed is a DP9 version of the Power series of books

While I agree, I don't see that happening till after or in conjunction with the release promised next Q.

[waxman]

What's needed is a DP9 version of the Power series of books.

What can really make a pdf version of the manual a great resource is the ability to hyperlink to other pages in the manual or maybe even to web material. But heck MOTU can't even properly link what's in the existing manual from the index at the back for instance. If I could work it from home I'd re-do the manual for MOTU; I have no urge to move to Taxachusetts

For many a written manual is great and I do refer to it when stuck. However video is better for many right brainers who tend to learn audibly and visually. The thing is the types of learners that can crank out a manual are strong at learning through research and comprehension in reading. I can sit through a lecture and pass classes. Throw me the text book and I want to take a nap...

Any chance of doing POWER SERIES? I have used Mac Video and other sites and they have helped so much. The dp9 videos put out by MOTU have helped. I can put those on and get so much out of them even when not in front of dp... So Musicman691 if you have some teaching skills I would love to see you, Mike and the other power guys crank out some vids...

[musicman691]

For many a written manual is great and I do refer to it when stuck. However video is better for many right brainers who tend to learn audibly and visually. The thing is the types of learners that can crank out a manual are strong at learning through research and comprehension in reading. I can sit through a lecture and pass classes. Throw me the text book and I want to take a nap...

Any chance of doing POWER SERIES? I have used Mac Video and other sites and they have helped so much. The dp9 videos put out by MOTU have helped. I can put those on and get so much out of them even when not in front of dp... So Musicman691 if you have some teaching skills I would love to see you, Mike and the other power guys crank out some vids...

I must be an odd duck as I can learn both ways - video or book. Yet there are some things that even though I have excellent reading comprehension that a video would really help. Some of it may well be due to how something is written as there are some writers that just can't bring the visual across in their prose and some that can (think Jack London). When the prior happens that's when I need a video; the other is when there are a series of steps that a video would serve better. This latter is like with the current state of DP documentation you have to go through several pages in different sections of the manual to get the full answer.

A way to do this would be a hybrid manual that would not only have hyperlinks to the rest of the material to do whatever it is you want to do but also have a video showing the process. I have some documentation (manuals and handbooks) from my ham radio hobby that does just that (and has embedded audio for things like Morse code). Another way is to harness ai so one could ask a question, have the program churn out the answer and present it on screen. Sort of like Help but on steroids. And have a video to show the process if so needed.

[Armageddon]

DP 9.0.2 running smoothly here on 10.11, then on 10.7.5 when I had to ditch 10.11, wipe my drive and start over from Lion, and hopefully, on Yosemite after I get everything up and running again and then re-update. I get to inadvertently test it out on three different operating systems! Did I mention how much I *@&#! HATE El Crapitan?

Sadly, I never really got to put DP 8 through the paces, though the one mix I did get to work on with it went as well as expected. This will also be my first jaunt into 64 bit territory.

[Shooshie]

DP 9.0.2 running smoothly here on 10.11, then on 10.7.5 when I had to ditch 10.11, wipe my drive and start over from Lion, and hopefully, on Yosemite after I get everything up and running again and then re-update. I get to inadvertently test it out on three different operating systems! Did I mention how much I *@&#! HATE El Crapitan?

Sadly, I never really got to put DP 8 through the paces, though the one mix I did get to work on with it went as well as expected. This will also be my first jaunt into 64 bit territory.

If DP 9 was running smoothly, why did you go back to Yosemite? Was there something else that wasn't working well?

I'm still debating whether to install El Capitan, thus my questions.

Shooshie

[dewdman42]

Unless there is some specific feature you need out of new OS, I say don't do it. I'm still on Mavericks and loving it. I have no intention of upgrading the OS any time soon. Yea, a few apple apps don't work on it...I can't get the latest iMove, I can't get the latest Xcode. But everything that matters to me runs perfectly fine on Mavericks and I have no problems...and the screen font isn't jacked up to require a retina display.

[Shooshie]

Unless there is some specific feature you need out of new OS, I say don't do it. I'm still on Mavericks and loving it. I have no intention of upgrading the OS any time soon. Yea, a few apple apps don't work on it...I can't get the latest iMove, I can't get the latest Xcode. But everything that matters to me runs perfectly fine on Mavericks and I have no problems...and the screen font isn't jacked up to require a retina display.

Yosemite is gradually falling apart. Mail is so slow that just typing one character can take 20 seconds. Close the browser and it's normal speed. I just can't do anything with Mail's browser open.

And there are lots of other little niddly things that add up to a bad day. I was hoping El Cap would fix those things. Easier going forward than backward.

Shooshie

[dewdman42]

Ya I hear ya. I dodged a bullet by not upgrading to Yosemite.

The problems you're having sound more serious then just yosemite though...something else going on there.

[bayswater]

Yosemite is gradually falling apart. Mail is so slow that just typing one character can take 20 seconds. Close the browser and it's normal speed. I just can't do anything with Mail's browser open.

It seems rather unlikely that this is a Yosemite issue. No such problem here.

I think the real issue is the erratic and inconsistent experience so many are having with various versions of OS X, even when they are using more or less the same hardware and running the same general set of applications. El Cap was a disaster for me. Mavericks worked but was a dog. Yosemite is rock solid.

It looks like Snow Leopard was the last version of OS X we all generally agree worked properly. I've had enough of the chaos associated with OS updates, and will just stay with what I have now. At some point, things like DP will stop working, but I'll cross that bridge when I get to it.

[Henry Robinett]

I'm sticking with Yosemite until I find a compelling reason to move forward, which I'm not convinced us forward at all.


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[cuttime]

Mail is so slow that just typing one character can take 20 seconds. Close the browser and it's normal speed. I just can't do anything with Mail's browser open.

Have you tried rebuilding your mailboxes?

[musicman691]

Unless there is some specific feature you need out of new OS, I say don't do it. I'm still on Mavericks and loving it. I have no intention of upgrading the OS any time soon. Yea, a few apple apps don't work on it...I can't get the latest iMove, I can't get the latest Xcode. But everything that matters to me runs perfectly fine on Mavericks and I have no problems...and the screen font isn't jacked up to require a retina display.

Yosemite is gradually falling apart. Mail is so slow that just typing one character can take 20 seconds. Close the browser and it's normal speed. I just can't do anything with Mail's browser open.

And there are lots of other little niddly things that add up to a bad day. I was hoping El Cap would fix those things. Easier going forward than backward.

Shooshie

As evidenced by my sig file I have two boot partitions - one ML and the other Mavericks. I actually had a third for Yosemite but it was so unstable it wasn't worth keeping around. I'm finding I do 95% of my work in Mavericks so that's my default boot partition. DP 9.02 has been stable for me (minus a pilot error or two) on OSX 10.9.5

Besides the stability issues with Yosemite I found I truly didn't like the overall look of the gui and it made my eyes hurt after a few minutes. Made me yearn for the old System 6 days where I could hack in and change the gui as I saw fit.

[buzzsmith]

I'm sticking with OS X 10.8.5 for as long as I can. Very stable right now for me.

However, some other apps (one in particular...iBank) has updated itself to now want to properly work on at least 10.9.

I may have to either add a second non-music computer or designate another boot up drive for just this one app.

Progress?

Buzzy




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