Fade out question
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Fade out question
My question probably has a very simple answer, but I'm brand new to DP so thanks in advance for your help!
I have a project file with several MIDI tracks routed to instrument tracks (virtual instruments). I want my entire sequence to "fade out".
I could add CC#7 data to each track, going from 127 down to 1, but there must be an easier way of doing this....right?
I have a project file with several MIDI tracks routed to instrument tracks (virtual instruments). I want my entire sequence to "fade out".
I could add CC#7 data to each track, going from 127 down to 1, but there must be an easier way of doing this....right?
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Re: Fade out question
If you want a simple fade out, I'd do it in the master bus (or wherever you assigned the audio output of all the VIs). That would be as simple as drawing the volume automation for that single channel.
However, this may have implications if you, for instance, are changing the bit depth with a plugin as part of your chain in the master bus, i.e., L2 limiter. In that case, I'd draw the automation for the ceiling parameter of such a plug, with the same result, without doing anything after the dither of the L2.
However, this may have implications if you, for instance, are changing the bit depth with a plugin as part of your chain in the master bus, i.e., L2 limiter. In that case, I'd draw the automation for the ceiling parameter of such a plug, with the same result, without doing anything after the dither of the L2.
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Re: Fade out question
I draw fades on the two track master after mixing.
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Re: Fade out question
When I'm doing final work (i.e., not demo work), I render all the VI tracks to audio first, then do audio fades on each track separately.
It may seem fussy, but this way I customize how each track fades out. For example, I may fade drums earlier than piano, etc., keep longer tails on things that ring nicely, fade things on recorded tracks that may have noises later in the fade.
I use a mix of volume automation and DP's fades function for soundbites. I like a nice "S" curve
I may do more shaping of the fade out on the final mix, but it is seldom needed.
It may seem fussy, but this way I customize how each track fades out. For example, I may fade drums earlier than piano, etc., keep longer tails on things that ring nicely, fade things on recorded tracks that may have noises later in the fade.
I use a mix of volume automation and DP's fades function for soundbites. I like a nice "S" curve
I may do more shaping of the fade out on the final mix, but it is seldom needed.
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Jeez, is that image big enough?!
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Re: Fade out question
Looks fine on Tapatalk
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Re: Fade out question
I (and a lot of folks I know) usually leave the ends of my tracks long and do fades during Mastering… unless—as Stubsonic suggests—I want specific instruments to linger into the fade (the reverb return on a percussion track or a jazz solo, for example). In that case, I'll either sculpt the fadeouts (usually by subgroup, but sometimes for individual instruments or aux tracks) and leave the final fade for mastering or just do the entire fade in the mix.
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Re: Fade out question
Again, sorry because I'm brand new to DP.
I have all MIDI tracks routed to instrument tracks. I have set the output of the instrument tracks to "bus 1-2". Finally I have an aux track (input is bus 1-2). I am drawing the volume automation line for a fade out but I don't hear any volume change during playback. What am I doing wrong?
I have all MIDI tracks routed to instrument tracks. I have set the output of the instrument tracks to "bus 1-2". Finally I have an aux track (input is bus 1-2). I am drawing the volume automation line for a fade out but I don't hear any volume change during playback. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Fade out question
What is the OUTPUT of your bus 1-2 set to?mlcomposer wrote:Again, sorry because I'm brand new to DP.
I have all MIDI tracks routed to instrument tracks. I have set the output of the instrument tracks to "bus 1-2". Finally I have an aux track (input is bus 1-2). I am drawing the volume automation line for a fade out but I don't hear any volume change during playback. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Fade out question
On my Aux-1 track, the input is Bus 1-2 and the output is HD Audio Output 1-2
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Re: Fade out question
Is the output of Bus 1-2 set to your Aux track?mlcomposer wrote:On my Aux-1 track, the input is Bus 1-2 and the output is HD Audio Output 1-2
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Re: Fade out question
Here's a screen shot showing a simple set up that works. I think this is what you've done as well. You can see that my VI (kontakt) has its output set to bus 1-2. The aux track (MIX) has its input set to bus 1-2 and its output to the MOTU main out 1-2.mlcomposer wrote:On my Aux-1 track, the input is Bus 1-2 and the output is HD Audio Output 1-2
At this point I can manually fade out using the slider, or I can use automation on the 'MIX' channel.
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Re: Fade out question
Which track(s) are you writing the automation on? And, is automation play-enabled?
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Re: Fade out question
Thanks all. I appreciate your help. The issue was ... I did not have automation-play enabled.
Re: Fade out question
+++mlcomposer wrote:Thanks all. I appreciate your help. The issue was ... I did not have automation-play enabled.
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