DP9.01 and optimization
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Of course it is one useful step in troubleshooting. But there several moving parts. My setup, older than Mike's doesn't need a 512 buffer for more than 6 tracks. So there has to be something else going on besides the CPU, OS version and DP version. You can eliminate specific aspects of your configuration from the list of possible issues by setting up a clean partition with just DP and see what happens. We know the nMP works, 9.01 works and 10.10.5 works, so what's left?
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Here's my question: what are you recording the actual audio onto?...Your main drive (the Mac) or an external drive? What are its specs?
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Hmm, DP 9.01 is running on my old MacPro (32 bit) and at 10 tracks it doesn't break a sweat. Something doesn't sound right. I wouldn't jump to blaming DP. My guess is it's either a bad install or you should be looking elsewhere for the problem. Just sayin.
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
yamguitar wrote:Here's my question: what are you recording the actual audio onto?...Your main drive (the Mac) or an external drive? What are its specs?
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Ive recorded Internally on the MacPro's internal ssd drive as well as an external 7200rpm external thunderbolt drive.
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
...and if not being clear enough, I'm not trying to "blame" DP, I'm just trying to figure this out.Phil O wrote:Hmm, DP 9.01 is running on my old MacPro (32 bit) and at 10 tracks it doesn't break a sweat. Something doesn't sound right. I wouldn't jump to blaming DP. My guess is it's either a bad install or you should be looking elsewhere for the problem. Just sayin.
Phil
My workflow in DP is so much better..it's were I want to be working.
A 2018 Mac mini with 16 gb of ram
HUGE bunch o' AU instruments/fx...
A Metric Halo ULN8-3D…mmmmmmm
Remember to eat all your fruits and vegetables!
My OS is The amazingly gratuitous 10.14
HUGE bunch o' AU instruments/fx...
A Metric Halo ULN8-3D…mmmmmmm
Remember to eat all your fruits and vegetables!
My OS is The amazingly gratuitous 10.14
Re: DP9.01 and optimization
...and if I wasn't clear enough, I didn't mean to sound critical. I'm just thinking you shouldn't be seeing this problem. You have a killer machine and 10 tracks is no big deal for DP. I'm wondering if it's a driver/interface problem. Is that a USB interface you've got? What driver(s) is used by the two DAWs you're comparing? Or maybe a plugin? Dunno. My gut just tells me it's not a DP optimization problem. It's something else.
Phil
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Mssr. Falk! Great to see you. Did you move? Seems like I remember you being from Banff. Vancouver is nice, too, but it could not be more different! Well, on 2nd thought, it could be Dallas. Ok, never mind that.
The problems you're talking about should, of course, not be happening, but I'm pretty sure there is an answer. I just don't know what it is yet. I've noticed that some days when I'm working in DP, everything is putzing along just fine, and then after maybe a couple hours something happens and suddenly everything is slow. I just haven't found what it is yet. Now that I'm aware that there is a trigger, I'll be looking for it, and maybe I'll find it.
If you get time to troubleshoot, eliminate various factors and reboot DP to see if it improves. For example, do a new mix to eliminate plugins, then see if it speeds up. It may require rebooting DP to reset whatever it is that gets messed up. If so, then add plugins one at a time to see if any of them happen to be a trigger. It could be types of plugins, rather than just one plug.
Check the studio size. Do you have like a hundred busses not being used? Anything like that? I'm shooting in the dark right now, but we've been through all this before and somehow managed to get beyond it. I'm pretty sure we will this time, too. I just don't know where to look, yet. Is it an OS compatibility problem? Background apps? Drivers? (you know? 95% of the time it's drivers.) So many possibilities at this point. But I see my stuff working fine up to a point. Then it caves. Just gotta find that trigger.
Shooshie
The problems you're talking about should, of course, not be happening, but I'm pretty sure there is an answer. I just don't know what it is yet. I've noticed that some days when I'm working in DP, everything is putzing along just fine, and then after maybe a couple hours something happens and suddenly everything is slow. I just haven't found what it is yet. Now that I'm aware that there is a trigger, I'll be looking for it, and maybe I'll find it.
If you get time to troubleshoot, eliminate various factors and reboot DP to see if it improves. For example, do a new mix to eliminate plugins, then see if it speeds up. It may require rebooting DP to reset whatever it is that gets messed up. If so, then add plugins one at a time to see if any of them happen to be a trigger. It could be types of plugins, rather than just one plug.
Check the studio size. Do you have like a hundred busses not being used? Anything like that? I'm shooting in the dark right now, but we've been through all this before and somehow managed to get beyond it. I'm pretty sure we will this time, too. I just don't know where to look, yet. Is it an OS compatibility problem? Background apps? Drivers? (you know? 95% of the time it's drivers.) So many possibilities at this point. But I see my stuff working fine up to a point. Then it caves. Just gotta find that trigger.
Shooshie
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Hello,
It would be nice if all DAW's played nice but they don't. I know for a fact that predatory coding practices are often used. Some DAW software companies do a lot of it. The reason I'm saying this is because that "other DAW" might well be the reason. Which one was installed first? Did the problems exist before the other DAW was installed?
Just askin..............
It would be nice if all DAW's played nice but they don't. I know for a fact that predatory coding practices are often used. Some DAW software companies do a lot of it. The reason I'm saying this is because that "other DAW" might well be the reason. Which one was installed first? Did the problems exist before the other DAW was installed?
Just askin..............
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Please expatiate... those facts you know would be most appreciated.Don T wrote:Hello,
I know for a fact that predatory coding practices [AKA - PCP] are often used. Some DAW software companies do a lot of it.
Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Expatiate! Oooh, twenty five cents for that one.
Predatory coding? Are you saying software developers are sabotaging competitor's products? Is that a real thing?
Predatory coding? Are you saying software developers are sabotaging competitor's products? Is that a real thing?
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
I thought he meant sabotaging their OWN apps.
Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Those would be some very disgrunted employees.MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I thought he meant sabotaging their OWN apps.
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
Sorry, disgrunted (sic) only gets you a nickle.
Sabotage on the other hand...
[Enterprise-A bridge]
STARFLEET VOICE: Report back, on the double. Do you read?
UHURA: We're to report back at once.
CHEKOV: We cannot abandon Captain Kirk and Doctor McCoy.
UHURA: Of course not.
VALERIS: Four hundred years ago on the planet Earth, workers who felt their livelihood threatened by automation, flung their wooden shoes, called 'sabots' into the machines to stop them. ...Hence the word 'sabotage'.
UHURA: We are experiencing technical malfunction. All backup systems inoperative.
CHEKOV: Excellent. I... I mean, ...too bad.
...yeah, not worth much either. Just babbling.
Sabotage on the other hand...
[Enterprise-A bridge]
STARFLEET VOICE: Report back, on the double. Do you read?
UHURA: We're to report back at once.
CHEKOV: We cannot abandon Captain Kirk and Doctor McCoy.
UHURA: Of course not.
VALERIS: Four hundred years ago on the planet Earth, workers who felt their livelihood threatened by automation, flung their wooden shoes, called 'sabots' into the machines to stop them. ...Hence the word 'sabotage'.
UHURA: We are experiencing technical malfunction. All backup systems inoperative.
CHEKOV: Excellent. I... I mean, ...too bad.
...yeah, not worth much either. Just babbling.
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Re: DP9.01 and optimization
They work so hard they've lost their grunts! <chortle>
Re: DP9.01 and optimization
...and chortle brings you to a grand total which will get you a cup of coffee at 1967 prices.
Sorry, been hangin' around Monkey Man too much. Need some down time.
Sorry, been hangin' around Monkey Man too much. Need some down time.
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