Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
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Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
If DP9 is working fine with the number of instrument tracks that I'm currently using in my single computer setup, would I gain anything by adding VE Pro to the mix? Or would it just add one more layer of complexity (not to mention an added expense)?
Thanks,
Mike
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Mike
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
Mike, FWIW here's my similar question (and a reply):
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 45#p508159
but you also might want to note another question that I posted (but hasn't gotten a reply):
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 26&t=60388
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 45#p508159
but you also might want to note another question that I posted (but hasn't gotten a reply):
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 26&t=60388
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
Thank you so much, Willie. I will check them out. I'm surprised how little attention this post has gotten, but maybe nobody has any experience with VE Pro on a single system.
Mike
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
I didn't reply because I lack firsthand experience. If you're open to anecdotal, second hand info, then I'll mention that I have a good friend who went from running VIs within DP, to running them with VE Pro on the same Mac and told me he noticed a significant performance improvement. He was able to run projects that had previously been choking his machine.
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Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
While DP was only a 32 bit app, I ran VEP Pro on my 2008 3.2 ghz 8 core Mac Pro with maxed out RAM to access the RAM 32 bit DP could not. I saw a great improvement in VI performance in those VIs (eg Kontakt) which could take advantage of the memory that DP could not. I also used, and still do to an extent, a distributive allocation of HD resources. Then came 64 bit DP and I set up some templates without VEP. Performance was equally good if not better and my workflow became simpler and I haven't used VEP since. Then I began replacing my spinner drives with SSDs and got a huge performance and workflow improvement. The bottleneck in my 7 year old 3,1 system is processor power, but my work is mostly film and TV composing and not a lot of mixing, and while I use a lot of VIs and tracks in my projects, I don't use a ton of audio plug ins on each track, which certainly would tax my system and push me toward a system with faster processors.
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
I run VEPro 5 both locally and on my slave systems. I'm on Windows, so I don't have a direct comparison to OSX, but I am sure this scenario is going to be similar. I can say that VEPro does in fact offload processing from pretty much any DAW's audio engine. I am running a large template in DP9 with multiple VEPro inputs and hardware inputs from slaves. The only thing that seems to be hitting the meter are my reverbs, which are somewhat cpu-intensive. I haven't loaded the same template internally in DP because I know from working with other DAWs that it does offload enough to be well worth it.
However, the biggest advantage to VEPro is being able to load up a template and set it to decoupled so you can simply switch projects without reloading samples every time. For me, that alone is worth having VEPro.
However, the biggest advantage to VEPro is being able to load up a template and set it to decoupled so you can simply switch projects without reloading samples every time. For me, that alone is worth having VEPro.
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
VEP with DP on one machine is my standard setup. I could not run mixes any other way as it is indeed much more efficient. I highly recommend.
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
I am another user who successfully uses VE Pro with DP (both DP 8 and DP 9). Although small by other users' standards, my modest 55+ orchestral templet is rock solid with Digital Performer and VE Pro 5. This is on one machine. I have two other smaller templets (but still CPU and memory intensive) that uses VIs split between my two computers which are also very stable when using VE Pro with DP 8 & 9. At least for me, it does take a while to get everything configured into a master templet. But the time and effort is worth it. (FYI, I've been using DP 9 exclusively with VE Pro 5 since the upgrade. Haven't used DP 8 in a while.)
I wish you well with your decision.
I wish you well with your decision.
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
This is all good to hear. Thanks, guys. It sounds like getting VE Pro would actually provide a benefit to my single computer setup. I wonder why its audio engine is more efficient than DP's? It almost defies logic that adding another software layer and more complexity would be more efficient than an up-to-date DAW like DP9.
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
MikeInBoston - Before I continue, I want to make it very clear that I am NOT an expert in both Digital Performer and VEPro 5. As you probably know, there are wonderful experts here that are just a wealth of knowledge to when it comes to using either of these two programs. I am not one of them. Now, with this said, I could never get DP 8 or DP 9 (including all of their updates) to handle the larger orchestral templet that I created without choking my computer without the use of VEPro 5. Since I did a major update to my Mac Pro, having it refurbished from an Early 2009 to a 2010, I have not tried using DP 9 without VEPro 5. I just haven't the time to check and see if my very "snappy" refurbished computer can work well with DP 9 and allow it to manage my few CPU & memory intensive templets all by itself. I made the initial investment to VEPro 5, a few years ago, because my DP 8 (at the time) was not handling my templets without maxing out the CPU and choking the computer. Although I do not believe that I am the only one with this (past) "issue", I will simply say that it was probably my inexperience in using Digital Performer that caused my problem(s) with the program. Since investing in VEPro 5 (and having a two computer "master/slave" set-up), I've grown to enjoy Digital Performer for its strengths as I toil away with my modest projects. I am quite happy utilizing VEPro 5 as an important companion with DP 9 for my music-sequencing and modest video-scoring projects. I can not explain WHY VEPro 5 seems to manage large CPU & memory intensive software instrument-based templets well, but it does. At least it does for me.MikeInBoston wrote:This is all good to hear. Thanks, guys. It sounds like getting VE Pro would actually provide a benefit to my single computer setup. I wonder why its audio engine is more efficient than DP's? It almost defies logic that adding another software layer and more complexity would be more efficient than an up-to-date DAW like DP9.
Mike
By the way. . . in the past, I've used the exact same orchestral templet with another DAW, without VEPro 5, without issue. But I much prefer to use DP 9, especially for my modest video-scoring projects. Obviously, the other DAW seems to handle CPU & memory intensive virtual instruments quite well. Again, I can not explain why it does. If only that other DAW had the type of organizational functionality that Digital Performer offers, which I use and have grown to enjoy!
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
Thanks Zuul. At this point, I'm pretty much sold on VE Pro.
Yeah, Boston is a cool city. I like it.
Mike
Yeah, Boston is a cool city. I like it.
Mike
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Re: Is there a real performance improvement with VE Pro?
FWIW, I ran VEPro 4 when DP's 32 bit limit was constraining me. It worked OK however I found Vienna's tech support to be poor (one syncrosoft license usb gizmo died - email about replacement - crickets - nice).
When DP became 64 bit enabled I just started loading stuff into it directly. I never hit a limit/problem and so I pretty much abandoned VEPro.
I don't run big orchestral stuff though - that ain't rock n roll.
When DP became 64 bit enabled I just started loading stuff into it directly. I never hit a limit/problem and so I pretty much abandoned VEPro.
I don't run big orchestral stuff though - that ain't rock n roll.
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