Is it currently possible to assign CC to a plugin parameter?

[Robert Randolph]

I recall that this is coming in DP9, but is it currently possible to arbitrarily assign a MIDI CC to a plugin parameter that doesn't specifically respond to MIDI on its own?

[Shooshie]

I recall that this is coming in DP9, but is it currently possible to arbitrarily assign a MIDI CC to a plugin parameter that doesn't specifically respond to MIDI on its own?

That's up to the plugin's developer. But you mean, will DP do it?

No.

Shoosh

[Robert Randolph]

I recall that this is coming in DP9, but is it currently possible to arbitrarily assign a MIDI CC to a plugin parameter that doesn't specifically respond to MIDI on its own?

That's up to the plugin's developer. But you mean, will DP do it?

No.

Shoosh

Alright, thank you.

For effects that do support MIDI control, how do I route MIDI to them if this is possible?

[Robert Randolph]

Ok, I figured out how to do it with a custom Console for an effect that declared itself as having MIDI input (Glitch 2 http://illformed.org/plugins/).

There seems to be lots of plugins I can route MIDI to in other hosts, but they do not show up as destinations in consoles. Is there another way?

edit: Man, I can not wait for learn controller in DP9.

[Shooshie]

If the plugin has MIDI input, and if you can assign MIDI Control Change streams to the parameters you want to control, then you can do it right in the track. No need for Custom Consoles.

If you want to control it manually, while the music plays, using an onscreen interface with sliders, the Custom Consoles will generally work, but it's a 1992 technology. I don't think it's been updated since then. I've always used trial-&-error to get them to work. Once working, they usually stay working, but they only apply to one track. If you put the same console on a different track, you have to go in it and reset it for that track.

Custom Consoles are cool; I've always loved what you can do with them, but the whole thing feels incomplete. I've always wished that MOTU would make them more intuitive and self-configuring, with more choices and options. Why just use certain MIDI triggers and not others? Why just certain sources? Why not the Conductor Track as a source or target? That sort of thing.

I'd bet that you can get it working with a plugin, if it accepts MIDI CC input. I don't remember if I've ever done that.

Shooshie

[monkey man]

... and there's DP's automation engine.

[Robert Randolph]

If the plugin has MIDI input, and if you can assign MIDI Control Change streams to the parameters you want to control, then you can do it right in the track. No need for Custom Consoles.

If you want to control it manually, while the music plays, using an onscreen interface with sliders, the Custom Consoles will generally work, but it's a 1992 technology. I don't think it's been updated since then. I've always used trial-&-error to get them to work. Once working, they usually stay working, but they only apply to one track. If you put the same console on a different track, you have to go in it and reset it for that track.

Custom Consoles are cool; I've always loved what you can do with them, but the whole thing feels incomplete. I've always wished that MOTU would make them more intuitive and self-configuring, with more choices and options. Why just use certain MIDI triggers and not others? Why just certain sources? Why not the Conductor Track as a source or target? That sort of thing.

I'd bet that you can get it working with a plugin, if it accepts MIDI CC input. I don't remember if I've ever done that.

Shooshie

How to you route MIDI to an effect plugin without using the console?

edit: I see one way is to setup a MIDI track that outputs to the plugin. That's a tad bit convoluted, but also somewhat neat. Any other way?

[Robert Randolph]

... and there's DP's automation engine.

I am trying to record complex movements from sensors to a plug-in's parameters.

I already have a set of flex, pressure and temperature sensors that I've set up to output MIDI CC. Now I just need to map it to the plugin parameters and record that.

[monkey man]

Ah... gotcha, Robert.

That sounds awesome, mate. What a ripper!

[Shooshie]

... and there's DP's automation engine.

I am trying to record complex movements from sensors to a plug-in's parameters.

I already have a set of flex, pressure and temperature sensors that I've set up to output MIDI CC. Now I just need to map it to the plugin parameters and record that.

OK, that makes more sense. Yeah, you'd probably need the Custom Consoles for this.

Custom Consoles may be getting a face-lift and an upgrade, come DP9. I think the new "Lanes" feature is rooted somehow in them. I'm hoping they've gone in and made them do MIDI Learn, and added more options, in addition to the Lanes feature. If so, Custom Consoles could become something like Logic's Environment, or even the connections page of Plogue Bidule (or not). I'm just speculating and offering my wishful thinking, as I've always hoped for an expanded and streamlined Custom Consoles. It just seems like there is so much power in that little box; why not make it easy and more useful?

Now that I see what you're doing, I'm intrigued to know how you're going to be processing it, where it's all going. Sounds fun, anyway.

Shoosh

[Robert Randolph]

Shooshie, MIDI learn is definitely in DP9. They showed it at namm.

https://youtu.be/NUOM4BUOnag?t=1310

At 22minutes if the link doesn't forward you there.

[Michael Canavan]

Shooshie, MIDI learn is definitely in DP9. They showed it at namm.

https://youtu.be/NUOM4BUOnag?t=1310

At 22minutes if the link doesn't forward you there.

You know the more I look at that setup for DP9, the more it looks like a bridge between track automation controls in a virtual plug in and MIDI CC. If that's the case this is by far the best part of DP9 for me! That is if it works with V-Racked instruments.

Seriously, this is the biggest oddity about working with V-Racks, that Track Automation is not accessible and you have to rely on the developers MIDI implementation which isn't nearly half as complete as track automation controls. I'm just hoping here, but all indication is that's how it's addressing the plug in, latching on to the track automation controls and converting it to MIDI for your controller.

I'm going way out on the speculation rim here, but it seems like this is what's going on.

[Rick Cornish]

This looks like an interesting plug. Are you using the latest version?
http://illformed.com/glitch/

[Robert Randolph]

This looks like an interesting plug. Are you using the latest version?
http://illformed.com/glitch/

Yes I am. It works great in DP.