Logic Plugins in DP?

[monkey man]

...I agree with you that these manufacturers seem to feel opposite as me, obviously. Its still annoying!

I hear you, mate. You have my sympathy.

The approach to the legacy challenge can also be to keep older machines for restoring old projects

... unless you're a pauper like me and have to sell stuff to be able to buy stuff. I've always looked forward to the day when I could put stuff in storage (spare room!) whenever I upgrade. For starters, I'd not have sold so many beloved synths over the years (W'Station SR 3 times over(!), K4r, ASR-10 and so on).

... or stick to a small set of long standing third party plugins such as Waves that you know have continuity.

... or DP's built-in ones!

Yeah, I agree Billy. That's why I'll be shooting for PSP, Spectrasonics, Audio Ease, NI and so on when I eventually add 3rd-P plugs to DP. They must have been around for a while and look like they'll continue to do so. That's the best that we can do, it would seem.

However, I've had issues where something such as having used a VI such as MachFive version 1 on a legacy project can cause launch challenges on a modern set up. In cases such as that, having made good session notes can obviate the problems.

Such a pro. Good call, mate.

[dewdman42]

Yea good session notes and I think FREEZE EVERYTHING. if you want a project to ready to load and play in ten years then better not rely on any plugins working. It can be argued that all fx processing should be frozen to raw audio tracks, all instruments too. You could save the original track in addition to the processed one if you want just in case. That's a lot of duplicated data though. I personally don't have problems there, a project that old is probably in need of some creative intervention anyway in my world. Hey way back when we recorded to tape, mixed through a mixer and if we wanted to mix it again a week later we had to try to do it from memory or hand written notes about it. Sometimes nice surprises came out of that. I think basic eq, compression, etc well it would be nice if that processing will never be lost and I think if you stick with DP its unlikely those settings will ever be lost so that is already way better off then the old tape days. If you're using a specialized plugin to do something extra special, even just extra special EQ, anything..... Then freeze the results if you know you're putting the project away for a while or else embrace the creative possibilities of the future if you have to redo some stuff

[billf]

That's why I'll be shooting for PSP, Spectrasonics, Audio Ease, NI and so on when I eventually add 3rd-P plugs to DP. They must have been around for a while and look like they'll continue to do so. That's the best that we can do, it would seem.

Those are all good, although I don't currently have any Audio Ease items on my system, I do have the others. However, NI has been known to drop products for "new and improved" items which EOL previous products. The B4 comes to mind as an example.

[billf]

Yea good session notes and I think FREEZE EVERYTHING. if you want a project to ready to load and play in ten years then better not rely on any plugins working. It can be argued that all fx processing should be frozen to raw audio tracks, all instruments too. You could save the original track in addition to the processed one if you want just in case. That's a lot of duplicated data though. I personally don't have problems there, a project that old is probably in need of some creative intervention anyway in my world. Hey way back when we recorded to tape, mixed through a mixer and if we wanted to mix it again a week later we had to try to do it from memory or hand written notes about it. Sometimes nice surprises came out of that. I think basic eq, compression, etc well it would be nice if that processing will never be lost and I think if you stick with DP its unlikely those settings will ever be lost so that is already way better off then the old tape days. If you're using a specialized plugin to do something extra special, even just extra special EQ, anything..... Then freeze the results if you know you're putting the project away for a while or else embrace the creative possibilities of the future if you have to redo some stuff

Yes, agreed! Nothing is as hair pulling as getting a file to do a remix of older material, only to find you receive that dreaded "items missing" message when launching the project, and some of those are VI's that are missing. A missing EQ or limiter I can work with, but if your VI's are gone, or you just have a MIDI track to nonexistent hardware, it's "Houston We Have a Problem" time.

[monkey man]

Agreed too. That's the strategy I'll take. DP's built-in plugs will play the role of taking care of most of the basics, 'though.

Even specialised plugs like the vocoder I keep requesting would be appreciated if built-in, by me at least.

That's why I'll be shooting for PSP, Spectrasonics, Audio Ease, NI and so on when I eventually add 3rd-P plugs to DP. They must have been around for a while and look like they'll continue to do so. That's the best that we can do, it would seem.

Those are all good, although I don't currently have any Audio Ease items on my system, I do have the others. However, NI has been known to drop products for "new and improved" items which EOL previous products. The B4 comes to mind as an example.

... as does Vokator or whatever it was called. Still hangin' for that DP vocoder; Vokator's evacuation only served to heighten my vocation to push for DP's vocoderisation... again and again.

[billf]

Even specialised plugs like the vocoder I keep requesting would be appreciated if built-in, by me at least.

If they include it in DP9, will they name it the Nicoder after you?

[bayswater]

Even specialised plugs like the vocoder I keep requesting would be appreciated if built-in, by me at least.

If they include it in DP9, will they name it the Nicoder after you?

Would it be clean???

[monkey man]

Somehow I doubt it, Stoivo.

Even specialised plugs like the vocoder I keep requesting would be appreciated if built-in, by me at least.

If they include it in DP9, will they name it the Nicoder after you?

Poocoder, more likely, but I like your suggestion, feels more familiar for some reason.

Feel free to forward it to the Gods of MOTU, Billy.

[bayswater]

Somehow I doubt it, Stoivo.

I figured that. I'd have to use it outside.

[Michael Canavan]

With the exception of Sculpture (a great physical modeling synth), there is nothing in Logic

I agree, Sculpture is in it's own class, especially for me anyway is the fact that when you abuse it and don't use it to sound like anything in particular it's got it's own sound; I bought MainStage just to have it around really.

[monkey man]

Yeah, I remember that there was a fair bit of hype in SOS back in the day when it was introduced, Michael. If memory serves, that was eons ago; good to see it's still there (a benefit of included plugs that I keep harping on about). I seem to recall special mention of the "plucking" portion of the sounds / engine. Seems it was very good for that aspect of sound design.

Somehow I doubt it, Stoivo.

I figured that. I'd have to use it outside.

Yup. A looong way outside. I'm thinking dedicated-solar-power-for-your-studio distances, Stoivo.