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new Leslie sim from PSP

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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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As one who gave them a bad time about not having one at last year's NAMM, I need to check that out. Has anyone looked at it yet?
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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I bought it yesterday. So many announcements from NAMM this year that I couldn't keep track of which ones had been posted here vs. elsewhere, so I forgot to post it earlier.

For those of us with cumulative loyalty discounts, it's a no-brainer at under $40. Even for those for whom this is their first PSP product, getting a great Leslie emulator for under $70 is a great deal -- I checked my plug-ins list, and this really IS the first one of any notable stature (yes, I know there are others, but they are really minimal in comparison).

I haven't had a chance to throw this on a production track yet as I am focused on finishing up a metal power trio album, but am hoping to sneak in some time this week to place it on some organ, clavinet (we'll see how many times I have to force that "typo" so it doesn't come up as "clarinet" after I commit my post), electric piano, and even guitar and vocal tracks for my semi-hiatus synth-pop project (Moonlife). Then maybe I'll do some direct A/B comparisons vs. the built-in Leslie effect of my Hammond XK-1c. I didn't yet get around to buying a Neo Instruments Ventilator so can't do that comparison.

What I can say, is that in casual use yesterday on isolated tracks (vs. the mix context), this is the real deal. Several key musicians were involved in the beta testing and the tweaking of this product before it was considered ready for release, and it shows. In other words, this product has already been vetted way beyond the software engineers responsible for coding it.

I do not notice any digital artifacts so far, not any artificial saturation. This plug-in is very flexible regarding your overall signal path and other plug-ins in your effects chain.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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Cool! Yea, I forget that it will cost me less due to past purchases.

I really enjoyed meeting them last year. I have some swag in a box somewhere.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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This is what I'd expect from PSP. Even though I've never bought a single plug-in(!) unless you count M5, I've grown to highly respect PSP through the years since OS9. I think I had the free PianoVerb back then and a VU meter (also free).

From the "fattening" analog-style comps through to the Lex-inspired delays and Xenon (Mark, you've said good things about this one on several occasions), the impression I've gained is that it's a rock-solid company that's been around, knows what it's doing and that its product is simple to install and runs without hiccups. IOW, it's this sort of mob who'd be fully deserving of my dosh given that I've held out for a decade and a half in preference to diving into the murky world of plugs and bangin' my head on the bottom.

I've always intended to ask the forum's advice on who to throw my wad at first, but when the time comes for me to add 3rd-party plugs to DP to fill in gaps, I'll be looking to purchase this company's full arsenal. Hopefully it'll do some sort of a deal. You could say I'm a fanboi by default.

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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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I think their EQ's are the most transparent products in the line-up -- especially the emulative ones (vs. the generalized ones). Xenon can be great for certain genres; especially ones that require minor limiting so aren't likely to start sounding plastic.

The downside is that many of the plugs seem to work best on virtual instruments, MIDI-based tracks, keyboards/synths/etc. Not a problem for those of us who work across many genres, but I haven't had any luck with their delays (for instance) on guitar tracks. No matter what I do, they end up sounding plastic. But they really work great on synths! The Lexicon PSP42, however, is an exception, and I used it for mild doubling on my current heavy metal project.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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I'm VERY curious to stack it up against amplitube's leslie emul. Do they have a demo?
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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Dwetmaster wrote:I'm VERY curious to stack it up against amplitube's leslie emul. Do they have a demo?
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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mhschmieder wrote:I think their EQ's are the most transparent products in the line-up -- especially the emulative ones (vs. the generalized ones). Xenon can be great for certain genres; especially ones that require minor limiting so aren't likely to start sounding plastic.

The downside is that many of the plugs seem to work best on virtual instruments, MIDI-based tracks, keyboards/synths/etc. Not a problem for those of us who work across many genres, but I haven't had any luck with their delays (for instance) on guitar tracks. No matter what I do, they end up sounding plastic. But they really work great on synths! The Lexicon PSP42, however, is an exception, and I used it for mild doubling on my current heavy metal project.
That's funny. I LOVE their delays. The PSP echo is really great, especially when you dirty it up with the drive. That and the 85. Love the filter section in the feedback loop. Plus the ducking feature on both plugs is really great to keep the signal from getting drowned out by the effect.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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I did took it for a spin, and I have to admit that this might be IT.

There's a whole bunch of options for tweaking but when you first start it up, it ALREADY sounds great.

The only cons I see at first is a pretty sterile GUI. It would have been nice to have some graphic representation of the controls. That being said, I know this is eye-candy so I won't complain too much. I took the time to RTFM and everything is pretty clear.

I'm looking forward to take it for spin in an actual session.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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csavetman wrote:
mhschmieder wrote:I think their EQ's are the most transparent products in the line-up -- especially the emulative ones (vs. the generalized ones). Xenon can be great for certain genres; especially ones that require minor limiting so aren't likely to start sounding plastic.

The downside is that many of the plugs seem to work best on virtual instruments, MIDI-based tracks, keyboards/synths/etc. Not a problem for those of us who work across many genres, but I haven't had any luck with their delays (for instance) on guitar tracks. No matter what I do, they end up sounding plastic. But they really work great on synths! The Lexicon PSP42, however, is an exception, and I used it for mild doubling on my current heavy metal project.
That's funny. I LOVE their delays. The PSP echo is really great, especially when you dirty it up with the drive. That and the 85. Love the filter section in the feedback loop. Plus the ducking feature on both plugs is really great to keep the signal from getting drowned out by the effect.
Yep, I love their delays, too. Huge fan of Xenon limiter, too. Just to throw in my two bits: I definitely don't think of the word "plastic" to describe their plugs. Not sure exactly what that means.

The delays are warm and user friendly...on vox, guitars, you name it. Xenon is just really "clean" when I listen to it.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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Love it. I put it on a simple additive organ patch in UHe ACE, tweaked a little and it turned into something that sure sounded to me like a Hammond cranked to full-tilt sitting in a room. Chunky, funky and full of detail. Put it on an ice cold digital Spectral patch and it successfully delivered that "where are we now??" impression that good analog distressing of digital synths should do. Super flexible, amazing sounding and if you've bought much of anything from PSP in the past, pretty close to a no brainier price. I'd say this is indeed 'the one.' PSP have really been amazing lately at finding that hole in the arsenal - that thing that hasn't quite been done well enough, and hitting it out of the park.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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Lucky for us DP users, L'otary doesn't consume a lot of CPU (at least it doesn't on my two Macs). I'm seeing some complaints on other forums about heavy CPU usage on some systems.

I kind of wish the GUI looked more "wooden", yes, but that's an inconsequential niggle. I have
Amplitube 3's Leslie, Melda Production's Vintage Rotary, and the L 122 plugin. The L 122 never
impressed me as being authentic. Amp 3's Leslie is usable but not enough options for control of mic placement, ramp up and down, drive, etc. I have to put Melda's Vintage Rotary and PSP's
L'otary on equal footing…both are great, Melda's is cleaner and more "upfront" while PSP's
effect always sounds like it's in a room no matter what I do. Which is ok.

PSP's rotary can have a tendency to sound "sawtooth-wavey" when the speed is fast, if you're
not careful about how you set the drive. There's a particular frequency at which a real Leslie's
horn "whistles" and PSP L'otary is pretty close. That said, out of all the rotary effects, I have to
give top honors to Neo Instruments Ventilator. Unfortunately it's not a plug-in.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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I bit last night. Yea, worth the money. IMO.
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Re: new Leslie sim from PSP

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Wouldn't ya know, but just before this was released I'd bought Melda's MVintage Rotary when it was on 50% off sale. It's really good sounding and has advanced settings to tweak (and groovy gui w/ pics of the 3 different rotary cab models).

Anyone experienced how the PSP compares to the Melda MVintage Rotary?
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