NAMM 2015: DP9

[williemyers]

I had DP 5.13, 6.03, 7.01, 7.12, 7.24 8.01 and 8.04 all running on the same drive in Mavericks...

Mike, you're very knowledgeable about this stuff, so weigh in on this question, would you?

I have always leaned *against* running more than one ver. of DP on a given partition, for the following reason; when I install a new version of DP, I watch as *hundreds* (maybe *thousands*?!) of updated files are written over older versions of files by the same name.

Say I'm running 7.24, and then I install 8.01 on to the same partition/system. And say that installation overwrites the old 7.24 MIDI driver or pref file with the new 8.01 MIDI driver or pref file.

Now, when I try and open 7.24, it's going to try and use the newer MIDI driver - which may or may not work?

That's why I have always used two separate partitions, with two separate installs of DP (and everything else), so that I could be sure that any given DP version was seeing only those support files that it should see.
It's a major pain to have to have to keep up with two complete partitions, so if I can stop this and just pack all of my DP versions on one, please enlighten!
thanks

[mikehalloran]

With versions 5-7, this wasn't much of an issue -- or perhaps it was and I didn't notice. Maybe I installed 5 after 6 after noticing I hated 6. When I decided to run the 5 and 6 uninstallers, it cleaned out 7 libraries as well -- easily fixed by running the 7.24 uninstaller and reinstalling.

The reason I had so many versions active was to figure out why 7.01 could open all my old projects and 7.24 crashed. It was the Activity Monitor in 7.12 that showed me it was a permissions and privileges issue and not corrupt files as MOTU support had insisted. Only when I knew the problem could I fix it.

The only issue I had between 7.24 and 8 was bouncing to mp3. Before 8.03(?), it required a modification to the way that the system worked -- it worked in 7 or 8 but couldn't work in both. Once DP 8 no longer needed L.A.M.E., I reset DP 7.24 and the conflict went away. Yes, the Trim functionality changed so projects that use it will not open correctly in both systems but the two versions do not conflict with each other.

Installing multiple versions of DP 8 couldn't be easier: rename the old version with the version number before you install the next. This trick has been known since DP 8.01.

Once I had my problems fixed, I pruned my system to one instance of 7.24 and one on 8.07. Some of my old projects are not 64bit ready and, unless I need to remix, they never will be. Once I've given DP 9 a good shakedown, I expect that I'll remove 8. It could be something as simple as verifying that all of my 8 projects open and play without problems -- that's the hope, anyway, if not the immediate expectation.

[Michael Canavan]

First time in a while that I'll upgrade as soon as they allow it. Usually I wait until people are reporting that it's all good.

What's different about 9 that makes you lean this way? Just curious.

Phil

First off I think MOTU are on a roll. The last reported by end users "bad version" was 6, 7 and 8 have been great for me. I don't think anything they've done to 9 is a deep down code thing that could cause issues, but these are of course guesses.

Secondly DP is pretty good at having more than one version on your computer. Compared to Live where there were separate instals for 32 and 64 bit versions of Live 8, and Live 9 was incompatible with Live 8, it overwrote some important things, not anything too big though, I never had issues going back to 8...

Anyway, that and I have the money and time right now to spare to beta test if DP9 turns out to be unstable. I mostly use DP to compose and mix down for bands I play in, currently talking to a singer about the next band etc. So nothing is critical, "needs to get out this Friday" etc.

[bayswater]

What's different about 9 that makes you lean this way? Just curious.

Phil

Mainly because MOTU appears to be listening more, and certainly a lot more than others. I think I recall MD even saying that half their effort is making changes users asked for, and half developing new stuff. With what we've seen in 7 and 8, they deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[Phil O]

Good answers.

[monkey man]

Yup. Hard to argue with those.

S'pose that means, what with all the "idle" time I have on my hands, I should start removing my togs right now and get that lard smeared on. I have the brilliant idea that as long as I use fat from my wife's cooking I'll not require a shark cage.*

*Monkey's wife is a Jungleville reality, but a real-world fantasy.

[bayswater]

S'pose that means, what with all the "idle" time I have on my hands, I should start removing my togs right now and get that lard smeared on.

Exactly what is it you do with DP? All I can think of is you're getting ready for your performance at next year's Eurovision.

[williemyers]

...Once I've given DP 9 a good shakedown, I expect that I'll remove 8. ...

thanks for that info. I think I'll give it a try when 9 arrives. Keeping up with two duplicate partitions can be a *major* PITA...

[monkey man]

S'pose that means, what with all the "idle" time I have on my hands, I should start removing my togs right now and get that lard smeared on.

Exactly what is it you do with DP? All I can think of is you're getting ready for your performance at next year's Eurovision.

Close, Stoivo.

Preparation for engaging the Arctic waters of... the DP9 Plunge™, of course!

[musicman691]

S'pose that means, what with all the "idle" time I have on my hands, I should start removing my togs right now and get that lard smeared on.

Exactly what is it you do with DP? All I can think of is you're getting ready for your performance at next year's Eurovision.

Close, Stoivo.

Preparation for engaging the Arctic waters of... the DP9 Plunge™, of course!

I'm in a day one for DP9 myself.

[monkey man]

Can't say I blame you, Jack.

Got some spare lard here should you want it. My advice? Spread it on thick, forego the shark cage, brace yourself, and dive in at first light on DP9 day 1.

Dammit, I can't wait! I need to see how it affects the rest of my purchase roadmap...

[mikehalloran]

I'm in a day one for DP9 myself.

Agreed.

I wish they'd just let me pre-order and be done with it. That way, when the release date comes, I know that mine is already on the way.

[musicman691]

I'm in a day one for DP9 myself.

Agreed.

I wish they'd just let me pre-order and be done with it. That way, when the release date comes, I know that mine is already on the way.

That's the one advantage I have when I jumped back in to the DP world and purchased DP8 crossgrade - I'm within the grace period for getting DP9 free. Waiting isn't easy though.

[mikehalloran]

That's the one advantage I have when I jumped back in to the DP world and purchased DP8 crossgrade - I'm within the grace period for getting DP9 free. Waiting isn't easy though

Ha, you're already in line!

That's exactly how I got DP 8. When 6 disappointed me, I went back to 5.13. When 8 was announced, I figured, "well, it's time to give 7 a try" and ordered. When 8 finally shipped, I waited a couple of days and called them as a gentle reminder to get mine out the door – good thing as it hadn't shipped yet.

[musicman691]

That's the one advantage I have when I jumped back in to the DP world and purchased DP8 crossgrade - I'm within the grace period for getting DP9 free. Waiting isn't easy though

Ha, you're already in line!

That's exactly how I got DP 8. When 6 disappointed me, I went back to 5.13. When 8 was announced, I figured, "well, it's time to give 7 a try" and ordered. When 8 finally shipped, I waited a couple of days and called them as a gentle reminder to get mine out the door – good thing as it hadn't shipped yet.

Cool.
I suppose an email blast will go out announcing DP9 official release.

Something we haven't discussed is the manual. I'm thankful we have both a pdf and a printed manual for DP8. Hoping that continues for DP9 as well.