1/8t meter in DP ??

[tommypenngotti]

I've been tooling around with the click for an hour and can't seem to get an accented 1/8t feel ?? Why is this so difficult - ? Shouldn't DP just have multiple default click feels? I can get the triplet click with no accent by entering 1/8t ??

I've looked at the tips page and manual pattern click , don't get it

[stubbsonic]

Unless you have a specific need to be in 4/4, why not choose 12/8 as your meter, with dotted-quarter = BPM, and click = 8th?

That's a simple way to get there. There are more detailed things you can do with click patterns, but that should get what you need.

The other thing is to just waste a track and make a 1-bar click loop.

[tommypenngotti]

thanks buddy , appreciate it .

[Shooshie]

I've been tooling around with the click for an hour and can't seem to get an accented 1/8t feel ?? Why is this so difficult - ? Shouldn't DP just have multiple default click feels? I can get the triplet click with no accent by entering 1/8t ??

I've looked at the tips page and manual pattern click , don't get it

First, I'm assuming you're in ⅜ time.
If you're going to write it that way, with the "t" indicating to DP to play it as a triplet, write

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1 1 1 /8t

To accent the first beat, SELECT it (the first 1), and type COMMAND B

Notice the spaces. You can use any character for a space, besides numbers and letters. In other words, you could write with keypad only:

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1+1+1+/8t
1.1.1./8t

But you must use some kind of separator for it to parse the rhythm. Spaces, plus signs, minus signs, Ampersands, @ signs, dots, whatever you want, but use something.

Just to illustrate what's going on in parsing the rhythm, here's another example of the same triple pulse, (¾) but this time with 2 quarter notes followed by 3 triplet 8ths:

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3.3.1.1.1./8t

Explanation:

• • the pulse is 8th note triplets.
  • if the pulse is triplets, then a quarter note = 3 triplets, thus 3 = quarter note
  • 3.3.1.1.1. = quarter, quarter, 8t 8t 8t

You can write that another way:

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3./4.3.1.1.1

Explanation:

• • 3./4 sets the pulse: 3 = quarter note
  • if 3=quarter note, then 1 = quarter/3, or triplet 8th.
  In this example, if you wanted straight 8th, you'd be out of luck. For that to happen, you need to use a number for a quarter note that can divide by 3 and by 2, namely 6.

So, here's a quarter, 2 8th, and 3 triplets:

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6 /4.3.3.2.2.2

Explanation:

• • 6 /4 sets the pulse as 6=quarter note.
  • 3 = ½ of 6, therefore 3 = 8th note
  • 2 = ⅓ of 6, therefore 2 = triplet 8th
  • thus: quarter, 8th 8th, 8t 8t 8t

Keep in mind that ANY NUMBER can represent your pulse. (I find this a little buggy, however)
1024 /4 means that 1024 is going to act as your quarter note. You can write very small subdivisions of 1024! (again, I find this a little buggy. YMMV, so try to use the most logical pulse beats that you can)
A more logical example: 24 /4 gives you lots of options for subdivisions where 24 = quarter note, 12 = 8th note, 48 = half note, 92 = whole note, 6 = 16th note, 3 = 32 note. So, you could write:

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24 /4 24 24 6 6 6 6 

Explanation:

• • pulse = 24 as quarter note
  • quarter, quarter, quarter, 16th-16th-16th-16th

Are you seeing the pattern here? Using the "t" is a shortcut so that you don't have to find all the factors of an integer that will give you the triplets and everything else you want. There's always going to be a little arithmetic involved, but anyone who can write time signatures and their subdivisions can surely do the arithmetic for coming up with a click set.

Some facts to remember:
• There are probably infinite ways of writing any click pattern.
• / sets the equivalency to a pulse. Pulses can be 1 (whole note), 2 (half note) 4 (quarter note), 8 (8th note), 16, and 32.
• The "t" is used for triplets as a pulse. /4t (quarter triplet), /8t (8th triplet), etc.
• The d is used for dotted notes as a pulse: /4d (dotted quarter is the beat), /2d (dotted half is the beat), /8d (dotted 8th is the beat)
• Be sure to set your TIME SIGNATURE to match that of the track or segment to which you are applying this click.
• Any symbol (non-numeral, non-letter) can be used as a separator.
• USE a separator. If you don't separate, as in "16/4", the result may not be what you expect. 16 /4 will give you the integer 16 as a quarter note pulse. (16 16 16 16), but 16/4 may not.
• If you start coming up with unexpected results, try moving the pulse indicator, e.g. /4, to the end of the string: (24 24 24 24 /4) Sometimes that won't work if you use different note values there.
• Remember, if you get problems writing it one way, you can always write it a different way.
• if you keep getting buggy results, discard the click and start new.


Shooshie

[tommypenngotti]

thanks man , extensive explanation appreciated

[Shooshie]

thanks man , extensive explanation appreciated

You're welcome. The click feature is logical, but awkward. Sometimes it's buggy. I like it, so I want other people to get the benefits from it that I get, but that requires getting over that initial hump. I'm just trying to help people get there.

Once you've got a nice library of clicks, its benefits really multiply, because setting a click is as simple as pulling down a menu at a meter or tempo change, and choosing the click you want. Very fast, and your click library grows to serve every kind of purpose you run into.

Shoosh

[tommypenngotti]

i finally got it by entering : 4/4

1 1 1/4t (and the first note in bold, accented)

I don't understand why Motu doesn't have 3/4 , 5/4/ 7/8 templates? I like the being able to customize ….your message was about the only thing that made it CLICK! for me …no pun intended : 0

….can you program click to stop ? I have a ritard free time area at end of song

thanks! ….can you program click to stop ? I have a ritard free time area at end of song
matthias


http://youtu.be/DxC6Jr7AYmw

http://youtu.be/UXnVJtndi3E

[Shooshie]

Yes, you can program the click to stop.

In the Conductor Track, insert a METER event. Leave the meter alone, but where it says "Click", look for a button that says PATTERN:


Click on the word PATTERN (it may instead say BEAT) and change it to TACET.


The click will cease at that point and remain tacet until the next meter/click event.

Shooshie

[Shooshie]

I don't understand why Motu doesn't have 3/4 , 5/4/ 7/8 templates? I like the being able to customize

You can easily set any click event to any meter.
[note: DP's default clicks are not editable in that way. Create a new click or edit one that you added.]

[Shooshie]

One more thing: if you set the tempo ranges to narrow bands or to specific tempos, then when tempos and meters change, DP will use the click that best fits that tempo and range. If you don't want it messing with your clicks, set the tempos to the largest band as in the default clicks: 20 to 400 bps.

Shooshie

[stubbsonic]

Boom!! With one thread, I learn at least 5 new things that I SHOULD have known a long time ago.

VERY USEFUL INFO!!

Thanks for the awesome click school, Shooshie!!!

[Shooshie]

Boom!! With one thread, I learn at least 5 new things that I SHOULD have known a long time ago.

VERY USEFUL INFO!!

Thanks for the awesome click school, Shooshie!!!

Shoot... we're too cool for click school, here; that was just an edjumaclicktion.

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• • • • • • • Shooshie

[EMRR]

Yep, great thread. I rarely use the click feature, so it's obtuse when I do.

[tommypenngotti]

thanks Shoosie! I use the click a ton now when tracking drums . Makes editing way easier!

[tommypenngotti]

ok - I have a section of a song a guy sent me that speeds up and I want to match the tempo - I see you can program tempo changes …what's the best way to just match a tempo fluctuation for a few bars other than just turning off - ?? I see you can draw in an event …not sure how to guide it

thanks!