setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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h'lo again, all...
I've begun building an orchestral/scoring template - my first :oops:
I'm going to have loadz - 25 or more - of Kontakt 5 instances that, if all were loaded, would exceed my MacPro's current RAM (16Gb). So I've come up with the following "work-around"...
I had noticed that V-racks can be turned off or on in the Chunks window. So I'm putting each K5 instance in to a V-rack. Once they'll all "V-racked", I'm going to the Chunks window and turning them off. Then I'm saving the template.
Then when I open a new project, the template loads, but with all instances/V-racks unloaded and I can go in to the chunks windows and select the instances/V-racks I'd like to use for that project. At least, that's the way I'm planning to do it now. I jsut wondered if any of you would offer suggestions for a better way to accomplish what I'm trying to do?
many thanks in advance.
((btw, note for MOTU - - it might be worth considering the following; upon opening any DP project that contains V-Racks/VI's, a window pops up saying "You have a number of V-Racks/VI's in this project. Please check the one's you would like to load now."))
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Re: setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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What you described above was exactly how I used to do it when I had my reliable but awfully limited G5.

It works great, and you can really manage the computer's resources like that.

I still think of the Chunks window as the main control panel for DP. It's still the "center of operations" in my template 8)
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Re: setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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Another way might be to leave the VI as a track, with the track enable buttons turned off. When you want to use one, right click on the track and send it to a V-Rack.. but would that automatically turn it on?

OK, now I need to know.. gonna fire it up. :wink:
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Re: setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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Killahurts wrote:Another way might be to leave the VI as a track, with the track enable buttons turned off. When you want to use one, right click on the track and send it to a V-Rack.. but would that automatically turn it on?

OK, now I need to know.. gonna fire it up. :wink:
You can do that, but it's more trouble than making a V-Rack in your template, with the VIs disabled.

By the way, you can turn a V-Rack off in the Chunks Window. I haven't tested this recently, but I'm pretty sure that if you turn off the V-Rack chunk, it disables the entire V-Rack. Also, you can have as many V-Racks as you want. Strings, Brass, Winds, Extra Winds, Extra Brass, Keyboards, Guitars... Whatever. (Or you can put it all in one V-Rack, of course.) They all show up in the mixing board as if they were one... plus you can choose which ones to display. I like having at least two, and sometimes more V-Racks.

[just tested it; yes, it does turn off when you disable the chunk. I thought so, but I hadn't done it in a while, and just wanted to make sure.]

Just sayin'... lots of options.

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Re: setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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Shooshie wrote: By the way, you can turn a V-Rack off in the Chunks Window. I haven't tested this recently, but I'm pretty sure that if you turn off the V-Rack chunk, it disables the entire V-Rack.
It does.
And it also releases any used CPU.

I love it.
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FMiguelez wrote:What you described above was exactly how I used to do it when I had my reliable but awfully limited G5....
FM, appreciate that! Just a question? If this is how you "used to do it", do you have a different way to do it now? (keep loads of VI's from loading, that is)?
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Re: setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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williemyers wrote:
FMiguelez wrote:What you described above was exactly how I used to do it when I had my reliable but awfully limited G5....
FM, appreciate that! Just a question? If this is how you "used to do it", do you have a different way to do it now? (keep loads of VI's from loading, that is)?
Bad wording on my part.

I still use and abuse that exact method with my new setup. It is vital for my template.

Actually, I can't see myself not using it. It's really awesome 8)
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williemyers wrote:FM, appreciate that! Just a question? If this is how you "used to do it", do you have a different way to do it now? (keep loads of VI's from loading, that is)?
You can see a pic of my Chunks window in the thread I link below, if you want to check it out.

Today it's a little more consolidated and simplified (courtesy of the power of my new master computer I was able to consolidate and get rid of some chunks and V-racks), but in essence, it's the same (my template seems to never stop evolving).
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... ck#p480066
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Re: setting up VI's as V-Racks in a template?

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FMiguelez wrote: You can see a pic of my Chunks window in the thread I link below, if you want
http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... ck#p480066
FM, this is *extremely* helpful! Thanks so much for linking to it
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