NI Komplete 10 pre-announcement information leaked

[dave pine]

glad i pulled the trigger on komplete ultimate 9 when i did then

[Killahurts]

glad i pulled the trigger on komplete ultimate 9 when i did then

Me too! I haven't even installed K9 yet, and now they have K10!

I sure hope Kontakt is not entering its "waining" years.. It's been in the lead for so long, most of my libraries are built on it.

I've been meaning to spend some time bringing K5 stuff into Mach V, to see how it gets on, so I'll have a backup plan in the event..

[Gravity Jim]

NI shows no signs of waning.

[bayswater]

I've been meaning to spend some time bringing K5 stuff into Mach V, to see how it gets on, so I'll have a backup plan in the event..

I haven't been able to get anything meant for K5 into Mach Five. Only some K4 patches. I'll be interested to hear if you manage to get it to work consistently.

[dewdman42]

NI will be around a while in some form. right now they seem to be focused a lot on Maschine and everything surrounding it, more than anything else. But they are fairly big company at this point, so guess they will be around a while, though it does seem like innovation is not at the top of their list as much as acquisition and marketing.

I have had Mach V envy for years. At this point I'm overly invested in Kontakt libraries myself and I can't justify the extra purchase. If M5 could load K5 libraries 100% I would consider it, but the best Kontakt libraries use a lot of scripting that doesn't carry over, even if the basic samples, keymaps, etc can be converted over. Even if chickensys or something could provide more elaborate conversion of FX, EQ, etc along with it, the scripting doesn't come across right and I guess it probably never will.

[mhschmieder]

MachFive is the one on the big growth curve right now, and for good reason: it's a WAY better engine all around than Kontakt.

Having said that, they have somewhat different focus. For instance, Kontakt has some inherent weaknesses that aren't likely to go away and thus will push quite a few vendors to jump ship, as have been doing lately (e.g. Gospel Musicians). I can't imagine why they came out with the minimoog emu when the most important aspect of the mini is literally impossible to achieve in Kontakt due to its "start at zero" limitation.

So, MachFive is WAY friendlier to those doing sound design of a traditional workstation variety (such as what would find in a Yamaha MOTIF -- especially synth type patches). Maybe not as useful for drums or orchestral libraries as Kontakt, but that may just be a reflection of which vendors have chosen Kontakt and have a lot of product out already. For instance, I am WAY more impressed by recent libraries from Acoustic Samples in terms of playability,a s well as True Pianos and Ravenscroft, than anything in Kontakt, no matter how heavily scripted.

As for the abandoned products, I think it was the vocoder and the spectral delay that they lost the license rights to; whereas my recollection is that the modeled Prophet and B3 were dumped because it would have been too much work to port them to Objective-C or maybe to 64-bits.

[BKK-OZ]

MachFive is the one on the big growth curve right now, and for good reason: it's a WAY better engine all around than Kontakt.

I hope you are right and proven so in the long run, but for me, M5 is currently a bust.

See here: http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 26&t=58130

While some are having success with M5, many of us are not.

Apart from some recent installation problems, I have always found Kontakt to be better in a lot of ways - and with a wider range of sample libraries to choose from as well. It might be different for those who want to get under the hood and design sample-based sounds from scratch, but that ain't me - any sound design I do, I do with one of my VI's. I want my sampler to be good at playing/manipulating samples and sample libraries. Until M5 becomes more stable, it won't be my go-to sample instrument.

[Babz]

I saw a LOT of details (and pictures, including descriptions) of Komplete 10 on GS today, and it's a HUGE disappointment.

What is 'GS"?

Babz

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I saw a LOT of details (and pictures, including descriptions) of Komplete 10 on GS today, and it's a HUGE disappointment.

What is 'GS"?

Babz

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/

Proceed with caution!

[Babz]

This just showed up. Looks like hardware. Maybe they are merging Komplete with Maschine or something like that?

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/sp ... ntent=2769

Babz

[David Polich]

I'm still on Komplete 7. Haven't seen a version of Komplete since then that interested me.

FWIW, I don't think there has been anything lacking in Absynth5, FM8, or Reaktor5. Those products have all been stellar for some time, there wasn't anything to "improve" as far as I
am concerned. Think about Omnisphere - that's stayed the same for a number of years.
What's not to love about it?

Kontakt became the de facto standard for software samplers years ago. Most developers programmed their libraries for it. That base has been established and will continue to exist.
UVI workstation has gained some traction but Kontakt's third-party developer base is still
way larger than UVI's. Whether one platform is better than the other isn't the issue. Personally I can find fault with both platforms. Bottom line is, if you use third-party sample libraries, Kontakt is still a must-have, not an option.

B4II and Pro-53 went away because of disputes with the original (non-NI) developers of those products.

[nk_e]

This just showed up. Looks like hardware. Maybe they are merging Komplete with Maschine or something like that?

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/sp ... ntent=2769

Babz

Komplete+Maschine+Traktor+keyboard it looks like.

FrankenPush

[Babz]

Yes, judging by the leaked photos I found by googling, it looks like 25, 49, and 61-note keyboard controllers. Plus new software instruments, of course. My worry is that NI doesn't have a great track record with continuing to support hardware -- Maschine being one notable, and recent, exception.

Anyway, probably not a good idea to second-guess before it's even released! We should have all the details in a couple of days...

Babz

[mhschmieder]

Over at vi-control, it was suggested the "included instruments" list may only pertain to the non-Ultimate version, which I could care less about, so I may find an upgrade worthwhile after all since there are a half dozen "must-have" products that weren't on the "regular" upgrade list.

Apparently the new pianos are produced by Galaxy, who (I did not know this, but also don't own it yet) also produced The Giant. One person thinks one of the new pianos is a Mason & Hamlin, which would make my day as that's what I grew up on (mostly, along with Steinways) and remains my favourite piano.

There's also a suggestion that one of the brand-new (not released yet) synths may be a Reaktor-based FM product with Additive Synthesis thrown in.

[mhschmieder]

I just received an NI email with a video promotional for Komplete 10 a few minutes ago. I can't watch/listen to it at work, of course, but maybe tonight.