MIDI Take Recording

[Ulas]

Hi.

My question is simple. Is there any way to do MIDI take recording like audio take recording in DP8 ? I did everything but can not find a way.

Thanks.

[Guitar Gaz]

No - often raised as needed for the wish list - but no way at present. The only way is to have a long sequence containing say 4 sections of the the one you wanted to do different takes on. Then you can play with a different "take" on each one.

So this seems a big deal and a big miss for DP - but the solution above is a piece of cake and therefore isn't really an issue. Go to the song window, and merge 4 or 5 chunks of the section you want to do different takes on. Simples...

[NazRat]

I haven't done this in a while, but a workaround is to assign the 'New Take' command to a MIDI event. The when you're in memory cycle record just hit the keyboard key you assigned either at the beginning or end of your section and the take will increment. Something along those lines.

[Ulas]

I haven't done this in a while, but a workaround is to assign the 'New Take' command to a MIDI event. The when you're in memory cycle record just hit the keyboard key you assigned either at the beginning or end of your section and the take will increment. Something along those lines.

Excellent solution! Thanks.

I hope we will also have MIDI comping feature in next release

[Guitar Gaz]

I haven't done this in a while, but a workaround is to assign the 'New Take' command to a MIDI event. The when you're in memory cycle record just hit the keyboard key you assigned either at the beginning or end of your section and the take will increment. Something along those lines.

Excellent solution! Thanks.

I hope we will also have MIDI comping feature in next release

Whatever - I think my solution is better as you don't have to stop playing to hit a keystroke - but if you really want separate takes that's up to you - it would get on my nerves to have to stop playing and search for the key command.

[NazRat]

Whatever - I think my solution is better as you don't have to stop playing to hit a keystroke - but if you really want separate takes that's up to you - it would get on my nerves to have to stop playing and search for the key command.

You don't stop playing, you just hit a note on your keyboard/controller to increment the take. You use the MIDI event not a key command on your computer qwerty keyboard.

[Shooshie]

With Nazrat's method, you can do it with a pedal or any other MIDI device. If you get a pedal board with, say, 10 pedals on it, you can assign them to all kinds of commands to get more out of DP, including pedal-operated record, stop, rewind, etc.

Shooshie

[NazRat]

Which reminds me . . . if you have a MOTU audio interface that supports a pedal (i.e. 828 series), you can also assign the command key combination New Take to the pedal in MOTU Audio Setup.

[stubbsonic]

I'm with Guitar Gaz on this one. It is just a different set of tedious setup steps, but with GG's (and one that I've done when necessary)-- you can put it out of mind while you are in the process.

First, I duplicate the chunk, then I select the work section with some pre-roll and post-roll and replicate it as much as I want. This way I have all the takes in one visible stream. Easier to cut together than switching takes back & forth between takes.

In the edit stage, I'm guessing there is an easy way to setup varous "mute states" so I could quickly store and call up which tracks are play-enabled at a given time. But I don't know how to do that, so I end up switching between the MGE and the TO to play/mute tracks.

[NazRat]

This way I have all the takes in one visible stream. Easier to cut together than switching takes back & forth between takes.

After you're done with your passes, 'Turn Takes Into Tracks'.

[stubbsonic]

Yes. Thanks. For me the choice is between lots of muting and turning tracks on/off in the MGE, vs seeing the takes horizontally. Kind of depends how long the section is.

I still need to develop a workflow for play-enabling tracks that is easier.

[Guitar Gaz]

I'm with Guitar Gaz on this one. It is just a different set of tedious setup steps, but with GG's (one that I've done when necessary)-- you can put it out of mind while you are in the process.

First, I duplicayou hee chuseveralhen I select the work section with some pre-roll and post-roll and replicate it as much as I want. This way I have all the takes in one visible stream. Easier to cut together than switching takes back & forth between takes.

In the edit stage, I'm guessing there is an easy way to setup varous "mute states" so I could quickly store and call up which tracks are play-enabled at a given time. But I don't know how to do that, so I end up switching between the MGE and the TO to play/mute tracks.

It seems the most intuitive way of doing it to me - who wants to have to click to switch takes - and when do you click? Before the end of the take? Just seems more of a hassle than merging chunks to get a long chunk of repeats so you can do several passes.

[dewdman42]

A nice feature add would be a mode where new takes are added automatically on each iteration of cycle recording.

But in actual practice I think a lot of people like to use overdub mode while cycle recording MIDI tracks. So currently while cycle recording with overdub mode, then hit a key to make a new take, this makes it possible to do best of both worlds.

Maybe an alternative mode that would be nice would be one where on each iteration of a cycle, a new MIDI event would create a new take automatically rather than overdubbing, something like that.

For audio we have POLAR.

[Shooshie]

All good methods. I've used most of them. That is, I've used a "new take" pedal command, and I've done the thing with repeated copies of the same song, just recording take after take. I kind of have to agree that the latter is the easiest when first creating it.

For me, markers made it easy to do that. It's a simple thing to select between markers, then copy/paste more and more of them until you've got enough for all the takes you might have in you.

But I found also that I tended to have to stop and add more copies after a while, because I usually underestimated the number of takes I needed. (I always think I can do it better, no matter how good it gets.) So, I experimented with the pedals, too. While it wasn't the easiest way at first, it worked well for me after getting used to the process. Either way is good.

I'd like to see MOTU add some MIDI features, including takes, mutes, comping, and generally making MIDI work as well as audio (and possibly vice-versa on some features). It may be that this would make things backwardly incompatible with old files. Surely there is some conversion process that could fix that, if it's necessary. I don't see that as being a problem, though. Adding tools shouldn't change the files.

Just thinking out loud.

Shoosh

[labman]

YES !!!

"I'd like to see MOTU add some MIDI features, including takes, mutes, comping, and generally making MIDI work as well as audio (and possibly vice-versa on some features)"