Editing MIDI - muting individual notes

[stubbsonic]

I'm probably restating what someone else has said, but zeroing velocity would only work if I didn't want to get the original velocity back after zeroing it-- but I always do (want the original velocity back). Shooshie's work around of moving notes into a similar track is probably the best all-around option in the current DP.

[wvandyck]

Yes and yes.

... If that mute state was a more general purpose control-value (0-127)-- then it could be used for more than one function-- like a per-note controller value.

Two states: a Toggle on or off (mute/unmute), and the option to adjust note velocity from 127 to 0. Drag a few notes with "the tool" then click on them to mute or to adjust velocity. Of course one can adjust velocity now by dragging the velocity points in the MIDI editor. But I gotta tell ya, my aging eyes are progressing towards those of a deep sea creature.

The productive thing to do is to make a plea here: http://www.motu.com/other/feedback/suggestions.

[James Steele]

I'm probably restating what someone else has said, but zeroing velocity would only work if I didn't want to get the original velocity back after zeroing it-- but I always do (want the original velocity back). Shooshie's work around of moving notes into a similar track is probably the best all-around option in the current DP.

True enough. Although, done in one operation, Undo would probably get you back where you started. Might be you could do multiple undos all the way back to the original. The conversation obviously got sidetracked. I don't think anybody was arguing that it was the *best* option... just one of many.

[stubbsonic]

Two states: a Toggle on or off (mute/unmute), and the option to adjust note velocity from 127 to 0. Drag a few notes with "the tool" then click on them to mute or to adjust velocity. Of course one can adjust velocity now by dragging the velocity points in the MIDI editor. But I gotta tell ya, my aging eyes are progressing towards those of a deep sea creature.

That's not quite what I was suggesting.

So you would have these two new values per each MIDI note event. Call them Note Control Value 1 & 2 (NCV1, NCV2). Both have a range from 0-127. They default to a value of zero.

You could then have a MIDI insert plugin that would allow you to assign those values to specific tasks or to generate a standard CC value. If you insert the NCV->Mute plugin, it will look at NCV1 and if the value is not zero, it will mute the note. If you insert the NCV->CC plugin, it will convert whatever values are in the NCV1 & 2 slots to two MIDI CCs.

These could act like secondary "velocities" in a sense (in terms of how they could be assigned)-- but unrelated to how you strike the key.

A third plugin could be: VELOCITY->NCV1, and a fourth: NCV->VELOCITY. All these could be combined to help move velocities around between tracks- as we discussed on another thread.

[Shooshie]

There are many ways of doing it, as with most things in DP. I always do a quick survey of the situation and decide which way seems most expedient without complicating things later. Often it's the scratch-track method. Sometimes I just hit DELETE, have a listen, and then UNDO. Expediency and simplicity are the desired qualities. Sometimes you can't have both. Sometimes you can't have either! But even in those cases, the scratch track method always works.

By the way, in moving scratch tracks around so they'll be within a screen's distance of the working track, I use keyboard commands. Here are the keyboard commands for moving tracks, from the DP Tips Sheet thread in this forum:

• Move Mulitple Tracks Simultaneously
  Works in: Tracks Overview Window
  1. Select the tracks you want to move
  2. Use Control-Page Up/Down to shift them all one place at a time
  3, The real trick to making this quick is temporarily disabling "Lock layout to track order" in the Mixing Board mini-menu.
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  Category: Setup
  Moving Multiple Tracks Simultaneously
  Move Selected Tracks to be Together
  Works in: Tracks Overview Window
  You can also move tracks to the top or bottom of the list by using "home" and "end" instead of "page up" and "page down" while holding down the CONTROL key. That gives you a little more flexibility when moving stuff around.
  
  I don't know if they just added this in 4.6, but I noticed there is now a "move selected tracks to be together" command. After selecting the tracks you want to move, press OPTION-CONTROL HOME. This, with the other move commands, gives you total flexibility when shuttling tracks around in the tracks list. Awesome!
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I hope it's all helpful to you.
Shoosh

[wvandyck]

I'm probably restating what someone else has said, but zeroing velocity would only work if I didn't want to get the original velocity back after zeroing it-- but I always do (want the original velocity back). Shooshie's work around of moving notes into a similar track is probably the best all-around option in the current DP.

Well stated. That is the whole point: to be able to return to your original velocity after experimenting with how a phrase sounds with select notes muted.

However my recommendation for a toggle and continuous velocity adjustment functionality is exactly what I put in MOTU's suggestion box along with links to multiple threads requesting MIDI note mute capability.

The functionality should just be there without having to assign controller functions and then insert specialized plug-ins.

[wvandyck]

There are many ways of doing it, as with most things in DP. I always do a quick survey of the situation and decide which way seems most expedient without complicating things later. Often it's the scratch-track method. Sometimes I just hit DELETE, have a listen, and then UNDO. Expediency and simplicity are the desired qualities. Sometimes you can't have both. Sometimes you can't have either! But even in those cases, the scratch track method always works.

By the way, in moving scratch tracks around so they'll be within a screen's distance of the working track, I use keyboard commands. Here are the keyboard commands for moving tracks, from the DP Tips Sheet thread in this forum:.....

I hope it's all helpful to you.
Shoosh

It's certainly helpful to me.
You're patience and willingness to share knowledge continues to amaze me. I would come here to read your posts even during periods when I wasn't using DP.

Not sure what else to say.

[Shooshie]

It's certainly helpful to me.
You're patience [...]

Not sure what else to say.

I think you've just made my day!

Shoosh

[Tesionman]

Yes!! This would be very useful for me!

[buhardilla]

muting MIDI notes? . My favorite workaround is duplicate the take with several versions of notes muted and not muted. I've assigned a key command for previous take/next take (F14 and F15 respectively) and play in mode cycle and listen alternating versions