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DP 8 and Bidule

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Got DP8 today and decided to see what would blow up. Pleasant surprise. EVERYTHING worked and I have a TON of VIs and Plugs! (well almost everything) :lol:

Now for my problem. I have Bidule and for whatever reason DP8 will not see my rewire inputs in my aux tracks. Works fine in DP 7.24. I have the latest rewire version and the latest Bidule. Am I missing something? And here is the weird thing. I can hear and play all of my plugs that are loaded into Bidule. I just can't rout them into DP as an audio file.

Not a deal breaker because I am still finishing projects in DP 7.24. (that is why I love MOTU)

Any suggestions would be most welcome and I know it is VERY early in the DP8 game!

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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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I won't have DP8 until next week but in the mean time if you or anyone figure this out please post back. Surely there's a way.
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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I won't have DP8 until next week but in the mean time if you or anyone figure this out please post back. Surely there's a way.
Got the question posted everywhere I can think. It is strange! Like I said, no problems in 7.24. Wonder if the 64 bit has anything to do with it. Maybe tomorrow I will launch DP8 in 32bit mode and see if Bidule works.

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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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OK,

Thought I solved the problem. The latest version of Bidule launches in 32 bit mode. To change that, select the application then type command-i and deselect launch in 32 bit mode. Similar to what you have to do to DP8 if you want it to launch in 32 bit mode.

Then I tried launching DP in 32 bit mode along with 32 bit mode Bidule. Worked just fine. Although I got a low memory message from DP when I launched my Orchestral template!

I guess my next step is to run DP in 64 Bit mode, not use Bidule and load my VI setup currently in Bidule into DP8 and see if DP8 can handle it in 64 Bit mode without bringing DP to its knees.

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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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rikp wrote:I guess my next step is to run DP in 64 Bit mode, not use Bidule and load my VI setup currently in Bidule into DP8 and see if DP8 can handle it in 64 Bit mode without bringing DP to its knees.
It will be really interesting to find out the results, since these are the questions many of us have been wondering about for months and even years. Thanks for the continued posts.
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Building a DP8 Orchestral template and loading my Bidule instances in this AM. Just finished a major project, so I have some time to mess with this.

On another note, I think I have found my problem. As far as I can tell there is no 64 Bit version of Rewire. When you launch Bidule in 64 Bit mode and go to the Tools pull down menu, Configure Rewire is grayed out. (that should tell you something).

I will keep you posted!

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OK,

Just put my entire Bidule load into My DP8 Orchestral template running in 64 Bit Mode. Barely a blip! :woohoo:

I am totally digging DP8!!! I guess that I no longer need to be using Bidule? I am usually the last to upgrade, but I have to say that all my plugs work in DP8. Thanks MOTU! I am now running in DP8 land. Did not figure that to happen so fast!

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rikp wrote:OK,

Just put my entire Bidule load into My DP8 Orchestral template running in 64 Bit Mode. Barely a blip! :woohoo:

I am totally digging DP8!!!

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Do we have any other DP experimenters to try this out
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VitcoMusic wrote:Isn't this what we've been waiting for? Blast the trumpets! The time has come - time to max out RAM.

Tahh-ta-ta-TUM!!!

We're here, folks. It's gonna be insanely great.

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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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jbyerly1 wrote:Do we have any other DP experimenters to try this out

Yes! Also does anyone know if there indeed is a 64 bit version of Rewire?


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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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This is from Propellorheads website:

"Just as the current versions of Reason and Reason Essentials, ReWire is 64-bit too. Note that 64-bit ReWire needs to be implemented in both the slave application (Reason, Reason Essentials) and your host. Please contact the manufacturer of your ReWire host of choice for compatibility information."

Having said that I cannot find a Rewire 64 bit downloader but there is a page with Reason, Recycle downloaders so maybe one it's included in one of those downloads. Here's the link:
http://www.propellerheads.se/download/

I've decided to go with Vienna Ensemble Pro 5 instead of Bidule, even though I've used Bidule hassle-free for a few years now. I think VEP5 is a bit more robust and offers some other cool features so I'm rolling up my sleeves to get that going. Why, you may ask, would I not just load all my VIs into DP8 and not run a shell program like VEP or Bidule to host my VI orchestra? Well, I love DP, but when it crashes (and you know from time to time it will) I love just rebooting DP and having the shell program just sit there holding my VI orchestra so I can get back to work in less than a minute as opposed to 2-3 minutes of reloading a giant orchestra VI template. Just my 2 cents! :)
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Thanks for that Frank. My plan is to just host my 32 bit VIs in Bidule and the rest in DP - which actually hasn't crashed in a couple of years.
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rikp wrote:OK,

Just put my entire Bidule load into My DP8 Orchestral template running in 64 Bit Mode. Barely a blip! :woohoo:

I am totally digging DP8!!! I guess that I no longer need to be using Bidule? I am usually the last to upgrade, but I have to say that all my plugs work in DP8. Thanks MOTU! I am now running in DP8 land. Did not figure that to happen so fast!

Rik
Fantastic! Good work! Thanks!
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Re: DP 8 and Bidule

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is anybody running bd 32 bit with dp 64 bit without any hickups?
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