DP/VEPRO - VSL confirms ADC doesn't work properly! :(

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Re: DP/VEPRO - VSL confirms ADC doesn't work properly! :(

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It seems like at VSL are certain that the problems with ADC are on DP side and they are trying to give a workaround with the new plugin update:
There is nothing we can do about this unfortunately. DP simply refuses to update the latency of instrument AU's, even though we report the changes properly. MOTU has to implement latency compensation for instrument AU's in DP for this to work as it currently only seems to compensate for effect plugins. I've put a latency display (in samples and ms) on the VE Pro plugin's editor for the next update though, so compensating manually will at least be easier to accomplish until MOTU fixes this.
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I can't help but be a little suspicious of VSL's stance on this. If this it totally DP's fault then how come no other plugins have problems with this? How come PTools has problems as well? It kind of sounds to me like their plugin does something very unique and they're blaming DP for not being compatible.
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Agent of Random wrote:I can't help but be a little suspicious of VSL's stance on this. If this it totally DP's fault then how come no other plugins have problems with this? How come PTools has problems as well? It kind of sounds to me like their plugin does something very unique and they're blaming DP for not being compatible.
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Re: DP/VEPRO - VSL confirms ADC doesn't work properly! :(

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I am glad I didn't update to VE Pro version 5. I'm running 4 and it is working well. I will hold off until DP and VSL can get together and fix it. If DP8 addresses it, I'll get both. :) Still, I think it is pretty lame for them to pass the blame on DP. They are responsible to make sure that these issues are addressed before releasing the product.
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cowtothesky wrote:They are responsible to make sure that these issues are addressed before releasing the product.
Especially after advertising that it delay compensation worked with DP.

BTW Cowtothesky, VEP 4 doesnt work with delay compensation either.

And other than the latency issue VEP5 is super nice.
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Re: DP/VEPRO - VSL confirms ADC doesn't work properly! :(

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Yea, I have been meaning to get version 5. But, I never upgrade mid-project. I guess I thought you meant something else. For what I am doing, version 4 works great. But, other than running gobs of vi's, I don't push it too hard. Hope they get it worked out for you and I will be getting version 5, probably when DP8 comes out. I'll just do a massive upgrade at that time, including Lion.
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Good news!!!
I was just informed that MOTU has fixed the issue with variable latency VI's for DP8.
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Now if anyone from MOTU would/could confirm this... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Got an email from my VSL tech saying the same thing. And the new VEPro version is out today that has the readout of the amount of samples needing compensated for.

Hey MAGIC, is this true about DP8???
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So using the handy TimeShift plug on my MIDI channels (all 160) seems to hold the line for now.

Is there a way to globally change the number of samples on every TimeShift plug on every MIDI track at once?
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malditoyanki wrote:Is there a way to globally change the number of samples on every TimeShift plug on every MIDI track at once?
Nope!
unfortunately you have to change them one at a time until... DP8 gets shipped!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

And that is if what Martin Saleteg wrote about DP8 is true, since there has been no official word from MOTU on this regard, so I must assume that is not confirmed so far. :mumble:
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Arceo wrote:And that is if what Martin Saleteg wrote about DP8 is true, since there has been no official word from MOTU on this regard, so I must assume that is not confirmed so far. :mumble:
Ummm... I don't mean to quibble... but don't you think it would be weird for a developer to LIE about something like that? I mean, what would they possibly have to gain? :shock:
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Arceo wrote:And that is if what Martin Saleteg wrote about DP8 is true, since there has been no official word from MOTU on this regard, so I must assume that is not confirmed so far. :mumble:
Ummm... I don't mean to quibble... but don't you think it would be weird for a developer to LIE about something like that? I mean, what would they possibly have to gain? :shock:
Yep, that's what I thought when I read this..

I've been working with VE Pro for some time now, and I have observed the Vienna guys taking DP quite seriously. I would be more inclined to believe that they thought this was a serious problem, and did everything they could to rectify it on their end. I also believe MOTU takes it very seriously, and came to some kind of solution that will fix it.

This stuff is complicated, and these two developers obviously recognize the importance of working together to resolve issues for their customers. Bravo MOTU and Vienna, I'm glad to be using both of your products!
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Re: DP/VEPRO - VSL confirms ADC doesn't work properly! :(

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Much ado about nothing! :D

Well, guys, since I've been quoted two times in a row there are some things I'd like to point out on this issue.

First, I'm a loooong time Performer user (yes, Performer 4.1 did't have the "Digital" suffix! :mrgreen: ) and, along the years, I got to know and appreciate MOTU and its reliability.
I mostly do orchestral works, so I 'm an early adopter of PC farms. That's why I felt blessed when VSL shipped VEPRO. I use this program since day 0 and I'm utterly satisfied with it and with VSL way of improving it with continuous upgrades.

Having said that I must add that it has to be the language barrier that often makes me write things in a clumsy manner, but I only wanted to point out that (since I'm not used to be told new features of Digital Performer from a VSL engineer) I was expecting some sort of communication from MOTU on this regard.

So James, this time it's me that I don't mean to quibble ( :mrgreen: ) but don't you think that, since I (1) opened a Tech Link and (after quoting Martin statement) I (2) publicly requested here an official word from MOTU it's unusual to be answered from another software house's engineer?

Anyway let me say again “much ado about nothing”: as I already wrote I'm deeply in love with DP (which I rely on for my living) since a long time ago and I couldn't be happier to run it along with VEPRO. The two apps together let my daily work flow be smooth and productive.

DP8 is expected in a matter of days, so when I will get rid of the dozens of shift plugins I'll be even happier to work with these apps!

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Arceo wrote:So James, this time it's me that I don't mean to quibble ( :mrgreen: ) but don't you think that, since I (1) opened a Tech Link and (after quoting Martin statement) I (2) publicly requested here an official word from MOTU it's unusual to be answered from another software house's engineer?
I think that the answer he gave you should be taken at face value. He wouldn't use his name and go on the record as saying MOTU fixed it if it weren't so. And secondly, you can publicly request anything you want from MOTU here, but that's no guarantee. This isn't an official board and they don't have time go go around reading every post. But I just feel that if this Martin fellow said he spoke with MOTU's engineers and they told him it's fixed in DP8, I would think that's all I'd need to know.
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Re: DP/VEPRO - VSL confirms ADC doesn't work properly! :(

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Ok then, we agree to disagree... :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Now I gotta stop whining and make some serious music!!! :D
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