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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby monkey man » Sun Jan 22, 2012 9:59 pm

zed wrote:Well crap...

I just tried booting in 64 mode and mine is not doing it either. I thought I had done it successfully once before and it had just reverted back, but I guess it never actually worked in the first place. Unbelievable.

This is distressing. I want to find out the workaround hack immediately. I don't want this hanging over me for the next 2 months while I wait for a 64 bit DP that I can't even use. :-(

And I only just bought my RAM finally... for an identical machine to yours.

I sure hope your machine reboots (and remains) in said mode, Zedster. I'll let you be the guinea pig. :?

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VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby kgdrum » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:18 pm

anyone have a mop?



OK did it!
so now if I understand it , no more 32 bit kernel ?
If so great!
Thanks for the encouragement
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby Michael Canavan » Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:38 pm

zed wrote:Holding down the 6 and 4 keys did not work on my computer, but I just managed to successfully boot in 64 bit after using this shareware application...

http://www.macupdate.com/app/mac/32252/ ... e-selector" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe that will work for some of you others who are having trouble.

<wiping sweat off forehead smiley>

Damn? confirms what I already knew.

While your Mac is technically able to run a 64-bit kernel, this is not currently enabled by Apple.
:mumble:

Well, it is time for me to think about a new machine. almost 5 years old this one is.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby bayswater » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:25 pm

There are hacks for capable but not enabled Macs. Not ideal, and it makes it impossible to do some updates, but still an option.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby frankymax » Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:46 pm

Hey, I've just finished reading thru this whole thread (whew, I'm tired!) but I must thank you guys for all these informative links and tidbits about the world of 64 bits. I have a later 2007 Mac Pro with the 3 gHz quad core setup so I'm gonna check it out tomorrow (too tired now to check it out) & keep my fingers crossed that I might be able to go 64 bit. I really appreciate all the info you've imparted in this thread! I'll report back and see if I have to do some kind of hack to get it to go 64 bit or if I luck out.

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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby FutureLegends » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:30 am

Not sure if this been covered but even when the kernel starts in 32 bit mode you can run 64bit applications.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby Gravity Jim » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:33 am

All this talk of whether an older Mac can even run a 64-bit kernel got me wondering, so I went and did some research this AM....

If what I'm reading is correct, my machine just makes the grade (early 2008 8-core Intel). And I found that I've been running a 64-bit kernel since installing Lion and didn't even know it: it defaults on boot to 64-bit mode.

Good news here.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 8:51 am

I'm not on Lion Jim, but also boot in 64. It didn't default to that on my machine but I bought it used and the previous owner may have set it for 32.

Also, let's keep in mind the big deal about 64 bit: how much RAM you can address. 32 bit programs may well run in 64 bit but still only address 4GB of RAM.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby Gravity Jim » Mon Jan 23, 2012 9:51 am

MIDI Life Crisis wrote:Also, let's keep in mind the big deal about 64 bit: how much RAM you can address. 32 bit programs may well run in 64 bit but still only address 4GB of RAM.



I'm hip! That's why I've been looking forward! I was just reporting that I know my machine runs a 64-bit kernel and I'm happy to learn this.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:27 am

The are also (I assume?) positive side effects to that - namely, more RAM means faster, more efficient performance. The whole multithreading, multi-core processing, etc. stuff is so far above my pay level I don't dare tackle it, but if someone knows definitively about that stuff it wouldn't hurt to jump in.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby labman » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:49 am

FutureLegends wrote:Not sure if this been covered but even when the kernel starts in 32 bit mode you can run 64bit applications.


You are correct. And I think that is important.

On our video mac, we boot into snow leopard 10.6.8 with regular 32 bit but FCPX runs at full 64 bit. Easy to see what does and what isnt running 64bits. Just look in activity monitor. It says either 64 or 32 bits for each app.
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Re: VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby cowtothesky » Mon Jan 23, 2012 2:43 pm

I have an early 2010 Imac and it defaults to 32 bit mode. I have to hold down 6 and 4 to get it to boot in 64 bit. I have been running DP7 in 64 and used VE Pro to utilize my Ram. I couldn't be more pleased. Now, I just wonder if there is any benefit in having VE Pro now that DP8 is coming? :shock:
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Postby kgdrum » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:23 pm

besides being cheap, my desire to keep my setup as simple as possible has helped me hold off getting into VEP on the assumption that DP and Mac's going 64bit would hopefully make VEP unnecessary for what I do.
I hope with these 64bit leaps, the need for more than 1 Mac is solved for me. I don't do Orchestral or Soundtracks or really anything that requires the kind of massive rigs required for that type of creation.
VEP looks like a great bridging technology but IMO with things going 64 bit unless your actually doing massive MIDI/sample scoring projects the need for such technology will become less relevant for a modest approach setup wise.
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VIDEO OF NAMM DP8 DEMO

Postby kgdrum » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:07 pm

zed wrote:
kgdrum wrote:Zed
So this allowed to run 64bit?
If so great!!

Yep. I'm in a 64 bit kernel right now. I am beginning to consider that perhaps my keyboard is not communicating well with the other Mac hardware. Holding down 6 and 4 did not work. I also recently had trouble booting from the Snow Leopard DVD, and I often have trouble ejecting my DVD trays as well. Perhaps there is some interference in the communication chain? Software seems to respond properly, however. No problem with regular keyboard commands.



Weird thing,yesterday we both did the 64bit boot. I saw my rig rebooted & was relieved!
Then I watched the Giants Game! had dinner etc..... came back to start working with my virginal 64bit rig and the keyboard was totally inoperable(Mac wired + #'s USB bought last summer!) naturally it was wtf time! lol
My magic track pad was totally functional btw....
Traced cable w/ USB extension cable for the keyboard to the back of the MacPro,no loose connections, I was muttering wtf repeatedly! I then decided to try the front USB inputs of the Mac,still no keyboard......even without the extension!
I was extremely thankful, mind you that I still had my diapers on! lol
So then I hooked the keyboards cable back to the USB ports as they were originally and now it works!!
I have no idea why, strange stuff.
I'm still scratching my head muttering wtf was that, some kind of 32bit ghost seeking revenge for my betrayal or part of my 64bit hazing, I'm really not sure but I find it a bit puzzling because it seems we both felt some kind of keyboard voodoo with the 64 bit transition.
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Postby MIDI Life Crisis » Mon Jan 23, 2012 4:22 pm

Never... NEVER mumble wtf at your Mac. Either yell it or use Americal Sign Language.
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