toodamnhip wrote:
That is indeed the "trick" of the physical universe. To invalidate the universe of spirit/soul/mankind, whatever you choose to call it....with sheer numbers...
I will not try to dissuade you from your opinion that you and all of us are but a grain of sand....
But I and many others surely do not share such an opinion.
This is not a matter of opinion. What I said about us being inconsequential is a FACT (Look up Dark matter/dark energy/matter ratios).
A lot of people like thinking about this as "trickery" because it scares them to realize what's really out there and prefer to ignore it or seek refuge in their unproven beliefs (whatever they may be). But that does not change reality.
Like I said, I'm just paraphrasing modern cosmology, so it's not my or your opinion, but the observations of people who devote their lives studying these things with actual PROOF and repeatable experiments to back those claims.
toodamnhip wrote:There's a certain quantum physics experiment that scientifically proves the observer influences sub atomic particles. You can look it up on you tube I am sure.
I am more than familiar with that old experiment (from better sources than YouTube, BTW). But what seems to influence the particles is not observation per se, but the way they are MEASURED.
I have a feeling that the physical realm would be necessary to convince you of the spiritual realm.
There's no such thing as a spiritual realm...
Have you seen it? Have you observed it? Can it make any useful predictions? Spiritual beliefs and science can not be put together in the same sentence if one wants to make any sense.
The former is the way some people chose to ignore reality hidden in an unproved "belief system", the latter is made out of observations of how nature works, repeatable truths/experiments and things that can give useful predictions.
toodamnhip wrote:I do not say this to make you wrong. It is just clear that you depend on the phyisical universe for your insights, which I totally understands..most do so.
Yes I do. I depend and believe in science because those are proven concepts NOT based on beliefs.
I could believe in Unicorns, but that won't make them real (unless, of course, we are talking about THE unicorn we al love around here)
toodamnhip wrote:But you are welcome to continue to think of yourself as inconsequential and without influence. But check out the Quntum physics experiment..
Like I said, I'm more than familiar with that experiment. It's not just mere observation (as in looking at the particles) that makes them change. The change is caused by the unintended interaction that measurement produces.
If I chose to realize (based on Cosmology) this planet, and life as we know it, are inconsequential, it's because we are really nothing when compared to the greatness of the universe. If all Galaxies and ALL mater that exist put together add up to no more than 8-6% of the stuff of the universe, and we already look ridiculously small compared to even our own galaxy (and there are trillions of them), what do we look like against the rest of the universe? Not even a grain of sand. Much less than that... that's why I said inconsequential. We could disappear planet earth and the whole solar system and nothing would happen, none would even notice it.
One can always feel bigger or more grandiose than anything else, but that does not change reality, and only works in their minds as consolation.
It's pretty scary, I give you that. But inventing ways of feeling more important than we really are is a human way of dealing with fear of the known and unknown ( one reason why some people are superstitious)