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Having problems with MSI and OSX 10.4.11

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Trying to install MSI after a long time not using it and am having no luck. Funny i remember no problems before.
Have tried various things Re and De installing numerous times. Loaded everything from my 2 install discs then when that did not work downloaded the MSI installer from Motu but still no luck.
The standalone opens but immediately says "MSI has quit unexpectedly" (code below) and inside DP on startup it says "could not find application bundle" and then MSI is the only one of my plugs that will not show up.
Could my Ilok have gone bad?
ANy help greatly appreciated.
George Miller

MacBook Pro 15" OSX 10.4.11, DP 6.02, MSI 1.1.3

Here is the code when trying to load the standalone if anyone can figure that out:

Date/Time: 2009-12-04 00:21:49.569 -0800
OS Version: 10.4.11 (Build 8S2167)
Report Version: 4

Command: PluginHooksSA
Path: /Applications/MOTU Symphonic Instrument/MOTU Symphonic Instrument.app/Contents/MacOS/PluginHooksSA
Parent: WindowServer [63]

Version: 1.1.3 (1.1.3)

PID: 359
Thread: 0

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000000

Thread 0 Crashed:
0 <<00000000>> 0x00000000 0 + 0
1 com.motu.msi 0x0000a1e1 start + 8785
2 com.motu.msi 0x0000809e start + 270
3 com.motu.msi 0x00007fb9 start + 41

Thread 1:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90047dd7 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90ce1da5 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 163
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90ce8d8d TimerThread + 87
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024227 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 2:
0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90047dd7 semaphore_timedwait_signal_trap + 7
1 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90ce1da5 TSWaitOnSemaphoreCommon + 163
2 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cec9e9 DeferredTaskThread + 57
3 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024227 _pthread_body + 84

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit):
eax: 0x00000000 ebx: 0x00007fc8 ecx: 0x01800038 edx: 0x005376c0
edi: 0xbffffd3c esi: 0xbffffd9f ebp: 0xbffff728 esp: 0xbffff70c
ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010286 eip: 0x00000000 cs: 0x00000017
ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037

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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

Post by carrythebanner »

buresmiller wrote:… inside DP on startup it says "could not find application bundle"
Look in /Library/Application Support/MOTU/MSI — do you see a file called "MSI.bundle" in there?
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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

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carrythebanner wrote:
buresmiller wrote:… inside DP on startup it says "could not find application bundle"
Look in /Library/Application Support/MOTU/MSI — do you see a file called "MSI.bundle" in there?
yes, that is there. It says that file is a protools plugin. Is that correct?
Also in the MSI support folder are an alias that refers to the MSI.dat file and a folder called MSI performances.
Thanks
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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

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It might be an iLok problem — it tends to be the culprit when I've seen crash logs that have very short, nondescriptive crash threads like the one you posted.

Check out this tech note; it specifically mentions 10.4.9, but perhaps your issue is basically the same?
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... os-10-4.9/
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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

Post by oldecuriosity »

Similar issue with me and fixed it a few nights ago . . . after a couple of years of no problems, MSI would only work in stand-alone mode and crashed as a plug. After moving the MSI folder out of a MOTU folder that I created for all MOTU apps and putting on the root level of my mac's applications folder, everything now works fine. Using DP 6.02 and 10.6.2

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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

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carrythebanner wrote:Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11
by carrythebanner » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:47 pm
Check out this tech note; it specifically mentions 10.4.9, but perhaps your issue is basically the same?
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... os-10-4.9/
yeah I saw that tech note and it looks like a very similar problem. Have thought about going through the rigamarole of a complete system reinstall BUT I was planning on upgrading to Snow Leopard at some point anyways, so maybe this is the time to do it and then see if I can get MSI working with it.
Thanks for your help.
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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

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Hmmm... I will ponder in the meantime a topic header which isn't exactly true in the literal sense.
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Re: Having problems with MSI and OSX 10.4.11

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There... edited the header... much better.
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Re: Having problems with MSI and OSX 10.4.11

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You can try to use MSI Sounds in UVIWorkstation
http://www.uvisoundsource.com/uvi-works ... icles_id/8

You just need to create an alias to MSI.dat in /Library/Application Support/UVISoundbanks

Still MSI need to be installe as it's used to check MSI authorization.

Hope this helps.
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Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11

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buresmiller wrote:
carrythebanner wrote:Re: MSI will not work OSX 10.4.11
by carrythebanner » Mon Dec 07, 2009 10:47 pm
Check out this tech note; it specifically mentions 10.4.9, but perhaps your issue is basically the same?
http://www.motu.com/techsupport/technot ... os-10-4.9/
yeah I saw that tech note and it looks like a very similar problem. Have thought about going through the rigamarole of a complete system reinstall BUT I was planning on upgrading to Snow Leopard at some point anyways, so maybe this is the time to do it and then see if I can get MSI working with it.
Thanks for your help.
GBM
The steps in that tech note don't involve a system reinstall — you can install the 10.4.11 combo update over an existing 10.4.11 installation and it will update the appropriate files without erasing the whole system. (Still not a bad idea to backup your system first, but you do that already, right?)
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