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After my initial elation with the new 9.13, I'm going back to 9.02.

After doing a whole project in 9.13, I find it is still really weird (for me) to use.

It still feels like the same problems when I tried 9.12.

The pre-gen thing names is still weird to use for me. It's not fluid and transparent like older versions of DP. It feels kind of "sticky".

I was psyched that I could get it down to 256 and have it feel like there was really zero latency, but when the project started to build, I had to bump it to 512 to avoid the processor peaking and the audio crackling.

Even at 512, it felt slow and not instantaneous.(switching record-enabled tracks for instance).

I'm on a new Mac Pro.

I hope this is not the future of DP...that they eventually work this out.

My opinion only here.
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JSmith1234567 wrote:After my initial elation with the new 9.13, I'm going back to 9.02.

After doing a whole project in 9.13, I find it is still really weird (for me) to use.

It still feels like the same problems when I tried 9.12.

The pre-gen thing names is still weird to use for me. It's not fluid and transparent like older versions of DP. It feels kind of "sticky".

I was psyched that I could get it down to 256 and have it feel like there was really zero latency, but when the project started to build, I had to bump it to 512 to avoid the processor peaking and the audio crackling.




Even at 512, it felt slow and not instantaneous.(switching record-enabled tracks for instance).

I'm on a new Mac Pro.

I hope this is not the future of DP...that they eventually work this out.

My opinion only here.


I hear and understand some of your issues, but I have to say on my MacPro, the latest version of 9.13 runs fine. The one thing that I did was completely uninstall DP, then installed the latest version. That made a world of difference on my rig's. If you haven't already, give that a try.
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Belongs in the Criticism forum. Moved.
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Maybe I have something set wrong, but I find 9.02 more convenient for smaller projects anyway. With 9.1/2/3 you can't turn off pre-gen so you can't ever audition notes by clicking on them unless the note's track is Record-enabled. Is that that everyone else's experience too?
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So many things like that don't work without that preference.

Tempo changes aren't reflected in the Timecode window until you hit play.

A million other things.

How hard can it be to bring back the "turn-off-pre-gen globally" preference, what with all of this criticism.
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I'm thinking the new pre-gen is so deeply baked into DP now that providing an off-switch may be harder than it seems. If it weren't I think MOTU would have done so. Or, since it seems that the majority of users aren't having issues it may just not be a priority?
Tempo changes aren't reflected in the Timecode window until you hit play.
I don't know what this means. Can you be more specific?
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With 9.1/2/3 you can't turn off pre-gen so you can't ever audition notes by clicking on them unless the note's track is Record-enabled.
Actually, I just noticed this behavior is corrected in 9.13 (72621). Tracks no longer need to be in Record in order to click-audition notes as it was in 9.1/2. This is a big, helpful change for me.
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I too have gone back to 9.02. For about 30 min I thought 9.13 would be workable, but then testing revealed I just cant work in it without glitch-ing in a variety of scenarios. I have a feeling I will be at 9.02 until at least 10. Hope I’m wrong
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