DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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dix wrote:
cuttime wrote:I haven't had time to investigate this completely, and I duplicated the problem exactly once, but does anyone know if it makes any difference if the plug is in pre-gen or not? Also, what plug are you using? When I encountered this I was using Kontakt in pre-gen mode.
Pre-gen can't be turned off in 9.1.
This from the 9.1 "Read Me" file:

"If you would like a plug-in or virtual instrument to run in real time only while its window is open (to improve level meter timing in the plug-in window for example), go to the mini- menu and choose "Run Open Instances of This Plug-in in Real Time". Close the window to return to Pre-gen mode (or uncheck the menu item). This setting applies globally to all instances of that plug-in and is saved globally."

In either case, this has not solved my problem with the sustain.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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See my reply to a similar sustain pedal issue in this thread -
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=62126&p=529393#p529393

As I said in that thread, try disabling Event Chasing, it's under the DP "Setup" window.

Also, try another sustain pedal. Those M-Audio sustain pedals are poorly built, as a keyboard tech for major tours I've had nothing but problems with them. I recommed a Yamaha FC-4, those are reliable.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Hey everyone, this is NOT a sustain pedal hardware issue!

DP 9.1 records and plays back the sustain controller #64 info just fine, and that can be verified in any of the view modes. The sustain pedal does not affect the sound during the record process. You can open up a view window and see the controller info as it is being recorded - it just has no affect on the sound until played back, and then all is as it should be.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Why would patch thru not pass Controller 64? Maybe all controllers are turned off somewhere in Patch Thru. Maybe there's a setting somewhere. I mean, this would be new, of course, but I can't think of anything that would normally change it.

Still, it's worth going through the prefs and settings again to see if something clicks. I have a feeling, though, that someone messed up something in programming.

WHY? I ask... WHY did that get past the beta testers? Who the hell is testing this stuff? I'm getting a little mad now.

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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Shooshie wrote: WHY? I ask... WHY did that get past the beta testers? Who the hell is testing this stuff? I'm getting a little mad now.

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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Shooshie wrote:Who the hell is testing this stuff?

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toodamnhip wrote:
Shooshie wrote: WHY? I ask... WHY did that get past the beta testers? Who the hell is testing this stuff? I'm getting a little mad now.

Shoosh
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You're too damn hip, and DP9.1 is too damn sexy for its shirt. I'm too damn frustrated for my face.

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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Shooshie wrote:
WHY? I ask... WHY did that get past the beta tester? Who the hell is testing this stuff? I'm getting a little mad now.

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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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I've started a ticket with MOTU (maybe someone else has done this as well) - we'll see what happens.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Shooshie wrote:
toodamnhip wrote:
Shooshie wrote: WHY? I ask... WHY did that get past the beta testers? Who the hell is testing this stuff? I'm getting a little mad now.

Shoosh
I do seem to recall a similar argument and emotional tone represented by a certain member here, one not unlike me at all. Opinionated guy, thinks he’s “too hip”...lol
You're too damn hip, and DP9.1 is too damn sexy for its shirt. I'm too damn frustrated for my face.

Shoosh
Oh dude,, you really made me laugh at loud sitting in a room by myself. I don't feel hip at all now! Lol. "Too frustrated for my face". Excellent!
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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Just spent two hours recording piano VI's in DP 9.1, using plenty of sustain pedalling.
Tried at buffer of 512, 256, 128. VI's I used were Pianoteq, e-Instruments Session Keys Electric
R, and Sonic Couture's Broken Wurli and Deconstructed 73 Rhodes running in Kontakt 5.

ZERO issues. I am not seeing anything like the problem the OP stated.

Has anyone tried disabling Event Chasing as I suggested? I really believe this could be an issue
with Event Chasing.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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This is clearly not a problem with DP, because it's not happening any place else. Take a deep breath and a cup of mild tea before you "get mad;" this didn't slip by the testers.

I don't know how you can expect any software as complex as a DAW or photo editing program or an animation platform to EVER get tested so deeply that nobody has a problem with it.

But in this case, there's something wrong with OP's set-up, not with DP. This isn't happening on my rig, either.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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I can reproduce this problem about 50% of the time using a Yamaha FC4 sustain pedal. The inconsistency is really frustrating. What is a stumper is that it is with pre-gen either on or off. I have event chasing off. I'm using a piano in Kontakt. I've gone through all of the DP patch thru settings and nothing seems to affect it either way. Charnach, please let us know if you hear back from MOTU on this. Going back over the posts, I can see at least 4 other people who have encountered this problem.
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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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I also cannot reproduce this problem, and I am using a Yamaha FC.

Tell me the exact steps needed to produce the problem. Don't leave anything out, including what VI to test with.

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Re: DP 9.1 sustain pedal not audible during recording

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I'm not having this problem at all.

I'm using an M-Audio pedal and my event chasing is all on.
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