DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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I noticed today that any 32bit plugin that was converted to 64bit using 32Lives will crash DP9 as soon as you click on the plugin window. I tested it on my iMac as well as my MBP...which are completely independent...and they both displayed similar results...I ran the same plugins in DP8 at 64bit mode and they worked perfectly as they always did.

Bottom line...You can't run any converted 32bit plugins on the DP9 in 64bit mode~
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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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I think it depends on the plugins. Most of mine are working. A few are not.

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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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I opened up a file in 9 that I haven't touched since I created it in DP 5. I used and automated an MDA plug that no longer works without 32Lives. It opened up and worked fine. I played with the interface, no problems.

Bottom line? Apparently, it's not working forYou. It's working fine for me.

32Lives had a recent update a few weeks ago. Did you download and install?
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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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I'm using the latest version of 32 Lives...version 1.0.7. Btw, is the MDA plugin you're opening a stereo plugin? For some reason when I open mono plugins they seem to work...but crashes when I open stereo ones... Also, when I open old files with 32bit plugins...they open and will play but as soon as I try opening a new 32bit plugin it will crash instantly...What's weird is that I can replicate this exact thing on a completely different computer...and they work on DP8

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jacey714 wrote:I'm using the latest version of 32 Lives...version 1.0.7. Btw, is the MDA plugin you're opening a stereo plugin? For some reason when I open mono plugins they seem to work...but crashes when I open stereo ones... Also, when I open old files with 32bit plugins...they open and will play but as soon as I try opening a new 32bit plugin it will crash instantly...What's weird is that I can replicate this exact thing on a completely different computer...and they work on DP8

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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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If you actually wrapped ("resurrected") the plug in an older version of 32 Lives, I think I've seen that it can help to unwrap it and then re wrap with the newer version of 32 Lives. Worth a try.
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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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I just gave that a try~ Unwrapped then re-resurrected the plugins in the newest version of 32Lives...still doesn't seem to work~

Anybody out there exeriencing something like this?

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jacey714 wrote:Bottom line...You can't run any converted 32bit plugins on the DP9 in 64bit mode~
FALSE. I just ran the following plugs using 32 Lives in DP9 in 64 bit and can click on their GUI with no ill effects:

Focusrite LiquidMix
RND Inspector XL
Audioease Altiverb 6
Submersible DrumCore 3 (DP's plug in window must not be in floating mode or a crash can happen when loading kits)
IK Miroslav Philarmonik CE
IK SampleTank 2
IK SonicSynth 2
Native Instruments B4 II
USB Plugsound Pro
UltraAnalog 1
Cakewalk Dimension LE
PSP Nitro

All of the above ran in 32 Lives in DP 9.0 64-bit. It appears I can run all of the ones I ran before. Perhaps you have your effects windows set to float which is a new feature in DP9? Try turning that off. I do have a problem with DrumCore 3 when the window is set to float, so maybe that's causing you problems.
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James Steele wrote: All of the above ran in 32 Lives in DP 9.0 64-bit. It appears I can run all of the ones I ran before. Perhaps you have your effects windows set to float which is a new feature in DP9? Try turning that off. I do have a problem with DrumCore 3 when the window is set to float, so maybe that's causing you problems.
Hi James...I just set the "float" mode OFF and it actually worked!!! Now...I guess it's the problem with the "float" mode...I hope they get that fixed soon~ Thanks for the insight by the way~

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For me, I don't think all my plugs using 32 Lives have a problem with floating effects windows—just DrumCore 3.
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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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By the way, that may be something the 32 Lives people will have to address. Honestly, I look forward to getting to the point where I don't need 32 Lives at all. Projects open much slower when using plugs that are using it. Might be interesting to see if VST plugs using jBridgeM would have the issue with the floating effects windows.
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The funny thing is that they work fine in DP8~ Perhaps it's cuz DP8 doesn't have the "float" mode...

The plugins that I had problems with was Sylenth, Korg Digital/Legacy plugins, Philharmonik Miroslav Strings, etc.~

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jacey714 wrote:The funny thing is that they work fine in DP8~ Perhaps it's cuz DP8 doesn't have the "float" mode...
Not perhaps. I'd say that's definitely the reason.
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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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Update: I was having frequent crashes with certain (32 bit) plugins under 32Lives but after careful inspection of the crash logs I discovered a problem with font conflicts. After resolving the conflicts, all my 32 bit plugins are now working, including those from Elemental Audio which I had previously reported as dead in another thread. Who'd a thunk it?

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Re: DP9 doesn't work with 32 Lives~ Bug

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Hi Phil,

Did they work in "float" mode as well? Just curious~

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