DP 44056 sample rate error

[taylor12k]

i just loaded up a project i started last year and DP gave me an error that most audio files were recorded at 44056 and not compatible with the current project 44100 and that i have to convert them all.

how did this happen? i did the project and all of the recordings at 44.1.. and anyway, DP doesn't even have a 44056 setting to use even if i wanted to.

has anyone ever seen this before?

[mikehalloran]

Not enough information. You'll see that many of us post our hardware and current setup. Often it is important to know this to have a clue.

In your case, we need to know how old the file is, what version of DP recorded the file – if indeed any version did.

That sampling rate is an EIAJ standard quite specific to Sony F-1. These were originally PCM recorders built on the Betamax platform but some companies made PCM adapters for VHS (I almost bought a Panasonic in the early '80s). So... something is going on...

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Can any program load this audio? If so, try exporting from there and reimporting to DP. It sounds like a file corruption of some sort. Might be DP. Might be something else.

[Timeline]

I wish we could edit the SR list that comes up. I have used the wrong 44.1 accidentally and it sucks.

[taylor12k]

i fixed it fairly easily by selecting all the soundbites at once and converting them from the mini menu.

pretty quick and easy, and everything is working fine, but i'm still curious as to how it happened.. considering all of the audio was recorded directly into the DP session, which was set at 44.1..

a bug/corruption i guess... but, fixed and moving on...

[MIDI Life Crisis]

DP has bugs? Who knew?

[mikehalloran]

...how did this happen?

Without basic information, we'll never know.

[Timeline]

One of my favorite alternet SRs is 128k but after using it with DP and my RME IOs, it will eventually begin to go all distorted and you must reset/reboot DP to clear the error and resync. RME put these additional SRs in to allow a better HD sound than 96k with less throughput overhead than 192k. Its brilliant and if you guys have not tried it I suggest you do. While it works it adds a dimension to the top end thats, to me, stunning. SR 64, same thing for G5 users still out there.

The hassle isn't, in the end, worth it and you have to convert down or up but try it just for a test. MOTU will not fix it because, I believe it supersedes their IO products which don't have the interim SRs available. If I were them I would make it work and ad the interim SRs in future products and plugs.

[mikehalloran]

One of my favorite alternet SRs is 128k but after using it with DP and my RME IOs, it will eventually begin to go all distorted and you must reset/reboot DP to clear the error and resync. RME put these additional SRs in to allow a better HD sound than 96k with less throughput overhead than 192k. Its brilliant and if you guys have not tried it I suggest you do. While it works it adds a dimension to the top end thats, to me, stunning. SR 64, same thing for G5 users still out there.

The hassle isn't, in the end, worth it and you have to convert down or up but try it just for a test. MOTU will not fix it because, I believe it supersedes their IO products which don't have the interim SRs available. If I were them I would make it work and ad the interim SRs in future products and plugs.

If you were they... But you aren't.

This begs the question: How many more interfaces does RME sell because they have this functionality? Thousands? Hundreds? One?

If there's no compelling market demand, it's highly unlikely that we'll see anyone else incorporate this.

[Shooshie]

One of my favorite alternet SRs is 128k but after using it with DP and my RME IOs, it will eventually begin to go all distorted and you must reset/reboot DP to clear the error and resync. RME put these additional SRs in to allow a better HD sound than 96k with less throughput overhead than 192k. Its brilliant and if you guys have not tried it I suggest you do. While it works it adds a dimension to the top end thats, to me, stunning. SR 64, same thing for G5 users still out there.

The hassle isn't, in the end, worth it and you have to convert down or up but try it just for a test. MOTU will not fix it because, I believe it supersedes their IO products which don't have the interim SRs available. If I were them I would make it work and ad the interim SRs in future products and plugs.

I'd be tempted to conduct a double-blind shootout with a MOTU box at 96K, or even 88.2K, and the RME at 128K. I'd be willing to bet that given a large listener sampling, the results would be 50/50, if not 100% for the MOTU side. I've seen or heard about MOTU winning shootouts unanimously, and was one of the "shooters" in one such shootout. But that's not the point. I think that beyond 96K there are very, very few people who even know what to listen for, much less with the ability to hear a difference between various sample rates at those levels.

The largest perceptible differences, IMO, are between 44.1K and 48K, and between either of those and 88.2K. Beyond that, to me, it gets academic, though I'm sure there are people who are annoyed to hear anything under 96K or 192K. I was astonished the first time I heard the difference between my own recordings at 44.1 and 48K. In fact, I originally assumed that I had moved the microphone or done something else that changed the sound. Subsequent tests showed it really was the sample rate. (all were at 24 bits) I still don't know why it makes so much difference at those low levels, with such a small change. 88K I can understand.

I think I can tell the difference between 88.2K and 96K, but having not had the opportunity to do a double-blind test, I can't tell if it's something I'm hearing or just "knowing." I've never listened innocently to two recordings at 88.2 and even 192K, and thought "wow; what a difference!" But the 44.1 to 48K change caught me completely off-guard and unsuspecting. That was in 1999 or 2000, and my ears were better then. I'm not sure I'd even hear it now.

I'm all for people having what they want. I just wonder sometimes what people really hear, vs. what they think they hear. I'm guilty of it, myself; I catch myself periodically assuming something is better, then later realizing that I can't hear any difference. That goes also for plugins, instruments, and even takes. It's ok; that's a natural tendency. It's just better if you DO catch yourself now and then to keep your perspective somewhat open.

There's the old engineering saw about the red button on the mixing board which the engineer finally hits when, after 20 takes and interpreting lots of ambiguous language, he finally "gets" what the client is telling him, to which the client responds "That's IT!" The button, of course, is not connected to anything.

I've done such things myself. The funny thing is that on occasion even I thought I heard a difference.

Subjectivity; it's for everybody!

Shooshie

[Timeline]

Subjectivity or closed mindedness? This affect some peoples state of mind and so hearing. I didn't need an A/B to hear this difference and everyones knows of your fanboy status where MOTU gear is concerned. I have owned most all the MOTU IOs myself over the years and I prefer the open minded approach. So sorry your MOTU IOs can't even test SR 128K.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

...and everyones knows of your fanboy status...

And the slippery slope begins. Really? It's gotta get personal? Doesn't that get exhausting? He is a man, not a boy, and acting like one doesn't change that.

[Timeline]

Ya know I'm a bit tired of being questioned when offering my honest opinion as well. It seems Shooshie rejects every post that that I post that has to do with my opinion on sound and I'm tired of it. I don't do that ever to anyone unless being called out on something. But, I'm sorry. Goodbye!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

“Being challenged in life is inevitable, being defeated is optional.”
― Roger Crawford

[Shooshie]

everyones knows of your fanboy status where MOTU gear is concerned.

Really? That's what you got out of my post? When you don't read the post you're responding to, it's easy to come off sounding like a jerk. But don't worry about it; we'll try again another day at a meaningful discussion... maybe something lighter like the Open menu. Then again, you know how I am about MOTU's Open menu.

Shoosh