DP8.05 Very Slow in Graphic Window (MIDI)

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DP8.05 Very Slow in Graphic Window (MIDI)

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I'm running DP 8.05 on a 2012, 12 core MacPro OSx 10.8.5. When in the graphic editor I get very long waiting times when I select additional tracks in the track selection pane. So if I'm viewing my woodwind tracks and now want to include strings and drag over those tracks I get the spinning beach ball and have to wait for the new display. This is something I have never experienced in any DP version going way way back.

My questions are:
1. Has anyone else experienced this?
2. Will an earlier version of DP8 solve it? (Willing to go to DP 7 as well.)
What prompted this is downloading the DP 8.0.1 'upgrade' to see if an earlier version might work but the install won't work. So my next question:
3. Do I need to get full installs of earlier versions of DP7 or 8 from MOTU to try this? I only have a DP8.05 full install.
TIA!
EDIT: I was able to download a full install of DP 7.2.4 but I'm sure I will have to get a special authorization to run it. Anybody confirm that? Thanks again.
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Re: DP8.05 Very Slow in Graphic Window (MIDI)

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Have you tried 8.06? It's a full installer. Something in there may have addressed your issue.
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The real release notes didn't mention the issue I'm having or fixes that might have been related to it. It seemed 8.0.6 was more for Mavericks issues. I thought about it though. I could try anyway. I'm leaning towards asking motu for a 7.2.4 authorization. This problem is really intolerable and I work professionally so it has to be resolved.

Thanks.
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Re: DP8.05 Very Slow in Graphic Window (MIDI)

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Dave Connor wrote:I'm running DP 8.05 on a 2012, 12 core MacPro OSx 10.8.5. When in the graphic editor I get very long waiting times when I select additional tracks in the track selection pane. So if I'm viewing my woodwind tracks and now want to include strings and drag over those tracks I get the spinning beach ball and have to wait for the new display. This is something I have never experienced in any DP version going way way back.

My questions are:
1. Has anyone else experienced this?
2. Will an earlier version of DP8 solve it? (Willing to go to DP 7 as well.)
What prompted this is downloading the DP 8.0.1 'upgrade' to see if an earlier version might work but the install won't work. So my next question:
3. Do I need to get full installs of earlier versions of DP7 or 8 from MOTU to try this? I only have a DP8.05 full install.
TIA!
EDIT: I was able to download a full install of DP 7.2.4 but I'm sure I will have to get a special authorization to run it. Anybody confirm that? Thanks again.
Shot in the dark here, but are the VIs targeted by those MIDI tracks set to "Run in Realtime" or are they pre-rendering? Due to this pre-rendering feature (introduced in DP6 I believe), whenever you open a MIDI track targeting a VI and you want to have "audible mode" wherein clicking a note in the MIDI Graphic Editor makes that note sound, DP has to change the VI from pre-render mode to real-time mode. Maybe that's what's going on?

I remember the old workaround of record enabling the MIDI track to switch the VI into realtime mode. Maybe there's some sort of automatic switchover going on now?

Shot in the dark. Apologize in advance if it doesn't help. :(
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Another shot in the dark. Try cleaning out your cache files with ONYX or some other similar utility. Delete plists, etc. Try a new project and load chunks one at a time and see if that helps.

Funny thing is that I've see people having more problems using 12 core machines than I've seen using 6 or 8 core machines. Is there such a thing as too much power? Too much overhead?
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That's a good point James and I did see that offered as a fix to a similar (or same?) issue here at motunation and changed that preference. The thing is that just regular MIDI tracks going to outboard PC's do the same thing. So there wouldn't be any pre-rendering going on to slow things down in that case.

Come to think of it, I believe this only happens when I pop out of consolidated windows. I always prefer working that way. It seems to me that when you are in the graphics window *in* consolidated windows the track select (which becomes a separate window) works fine. I will test that and get back.

MLC, gosh I sure hope that's not the case. I was actually going to get a 6 core but I found a six month old 12 core with 48 gigs of ram for basically the same money. If my test above proves true then that would be a certifiable bug I would think. I'll get back very soon

Thanks gents.
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Well this is interesting. Operating as I normally do (not consolidated in the graphics/MIDI window) I am not having the problem at all while selecting and deselecting tracks every which way. But I have the problem with perfect consistency so is it something that happens over time when I'm working? This is the first time I've down this right after I opened DP (with all my vi's which are VE Pro instances outside of DP enabled. I'm mystified but I will work for a while and see what happens.

The pre-rendering preference was switched a week or so ago so it shouldn't be that.
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Re: DP8.05 Very Slow in Graphic Window (MIDI)

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Ok! Here's what the issue is: SOLO MODE. I constantly work in solo mode because I have a large orchestral template. My Solo preference in DP is to play only the tracks in the front window. That way I can select my Woodwinds folder and just hear the Winds. Than I can deselect all but the bassoons and focus on them or whatever. Obviously I might select horns or strings or just add things in to make sure everything is working or balanced etc. But even if within a single track folder of maybe 16 Winds I option click the contrabassoon the beach ball spins until every else goes away in the display. Same with any additions or subtractions for other folders.

It worked perfectly when I opened DP today because I wasn't in solo mode. When I started working for real in solo mode as always, I got my usual intolerable results.

I still have to run my test in solo mode within consolidated windows.
EDIT: Same sluggish behavior (10 second spinning ball) in consolidated windows in solo mode (also no problem when not in solo.)
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No idea why but now I've lost my 'classic' display theme and can't get it back even after trashing preferences. I had downloaded DP 7.2.4 and installed in anticipation of getting an authorization from motu and though maybe that was the problem but I deleted it. Oh well...
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Are you running DP 8 in 32 or 64bit?
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I still have DP 7.24 for those projects running 32bit. That way, I can leave DP 8 running 64bit.

Both work quite well installed on the same Mac.

If you uninstalled 7.x after you installed 8, reinstall DP 8. There's no uninstaller.

I am assuming you installed DP in its default locations. If not, reinstall and let it go to default.
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I think you're right about re-installing DP 8. Going to do that. Thanks
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Re: DP8.05 Very Slow in Graphic Window (MIDI)

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The reinstall gave me my themes back and it appears the solo mode issue is improved with things seeming to mov faster bur we shall see.

Thanks all for your help!
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