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Re: Mavericks and DP8.05 - little bugs, but very pleased

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MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I'm not seeing scrolling issues in Mavericks. I Googled it and found several "fixes."
The fixes don't work. What you're finding are people who tend to be the loudest voice on a forum, telling other people to do elaborate things to "fix" this problem. Restarting your computer fixes it.

For about 10 minutes. Maybe an hour or even an entire session if you don't happen to hit any of the triggers.

Then it goes back to its behavior after certain triggers. Side-scrolling and page turning (forward/back, previous/next) are major triggers.

So, pay no attention to the fixes. I've thought of many of them myself, and tried them. Trust me... they don't work. This is an OS problem. If those fixes worked, it would imply certain things about the problems. Everyone would be having them, and they'd have been present in previous OS's. The problems are not due to something a user is doing wrong or neglecting to do, nor is it due to settings. (if it were due to settings, then that would be a bug, as well, since the settings are there to be used)

I've been up one side of this thing and down the other, and it's not a user-created problem, and therefore is not user-fixable. This is Apple's problem, and if you read those threads you will find a lot of savvy people who will tell you the same thing that I'm saying. Meanwhile, you'll always find someone who insists that zapping the P-RAM will fix it. One such guy, who calls himself John Galt (which also says certain things about him), went on from P-RAM to suggesting that people completely re-install the OS, and that they remove all the "crap" installations from their drives. Of course, crap installations are any apps that he doesn't like. No, I don't have time for people like that who just keep you busy with absolutely no data to show that it really works.

This is an Apple problem. Apple will fix it.
MIDI Life Crisis wrote:I also wonder if it's more prominent on the Magic Trackpad than other pointing devices?
I don't think so. I'm using other devices for testing purposes. It happens regardless of what I use. Also, I can turn off JiTouch, and it'll happen anyway. In any case, there are hundreds of posts about it, and maybe thousands. (I've only looked at about a half-dozen threads, and each has dozens of people reporting the same problem.)

People are just beginning to figure this out.

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Re: Mavericks and DP8.05 - little bugs, but very pleased

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Shooshie wrote:
MIDI Life Crisis wrote: Side-scrolling and page turning (forward/back, previous/next) are major triggers.

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I've noticed this with Safari.
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Re: Mavericks and DP8.05 - little bugs, but growing bigger!

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Definitely problems here with side scrolling on my MBP using the trackpad. Sometimes moving backwards and forwards through pages in Safari doesn't work at all, sometimes it's fine. Side scrolling through the applications screens in the Launcher always gives the impressions that something is stuck in place.
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bayswater wrote:Definitely problems here with side scrolling on my MBP using the trackpad. Sometimes moving backwards and forwards through pages in Safari doesn't work at all, sometimes it's fine. Side scrolling through the applications screens in the Launcher always gives the impressions that something is stuck in place.
Yeah, I see Safari "scroll" the header of the page, while the body of the page is stuck. You can scroll back and forward, but unless you look carefully at the top of the page you won't see any movement. The page is stuck, but the header moves!

At this point, even the buttons won't work, nor the arrow keys. It's just effed-up. Restarting the computer fixes it, of course, and you get to play a while longer before it happens again. This is one of the most bizarre and unforgivable bugs I've ever seen Apple release in an operating system.

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Shooshie wrote:This is one of the most bizarre and unforgivable bugs I've ever seen Apple release in an operating system.

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I have to agree. I'm disappointed. The Finder tabs is the only feature of value to me. The rest is annoying at best. I read the tech writers predicting that Apple will work on bug fixes and stabilization in 2014 and forego any more strangeness. Hoping they're right.
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I'll have to take your word for it. My wife an daughter use Safari with no problem. I must use Chrome as it handles certain tasks for my day job in ways that Safari can't. I use a Magic Trackpad and just haven't had any issues with it at once I opened the prefs and resaved.

I now have installed 10.9.1 on 17 Macs and the only one that gave me any grief was mine. I had it fixed in an hour (DP in less than 10 minutes).

Have you opened Console to see if something is getting in the way of the process? That would be my next step.
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I've noticed that scrolling has gotten significantly worse. Especially sideways scrolling thought the timeline is now very clunky all of a sudden :(
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FWIW I use 10.9.1 and a trackpad and have not noticed any problems with scrolling in any of my apps.

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10.9.1 here, and have not seen this behavior with either version of Mavericks.
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Happy New Year, Shooshie. When Apple switched its default OSX preference for scrolling to mimic the 'opposite to the old way' that iOS scrolls, I think it was Lion - Anyway, is it possible that the reason you are experiencing this Mavericks issue has to do with Mavericks handling that preference choice differently for a Magic Trackpad than it does for a Magic Mouse, and your choice, or sequence of such choices differentiates your current configuration from that of those who aren't experiencing the issue? I realize it's been this 'new' way since 10.7.x, but the behavior you describe sounds like it just can't make up its darn mind which way you want it to go, up or down. :?
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So many users are being plagued by this trackpad jerky scrolling issue. Here's hoping Apple will soon put up an update that fixes it.
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Don't use the trackpad much. Scrolling is fine.
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I put this on the tag of another post but if you don't know about it, it can cause major headaches from OS 10.7 on. Certain applications such as Finale will not work if the following isn't resolved.

If you've not done this, do so:

Open Font Book in Applications and, under the Edit menu, go to Look for Enabled Duplicates. If you find any, click on Resolve Duplicate Fonts. Those who went from 10.6 to 10.9 without having suffered through 10.7 could easily have duplicates. This can cause a lot of the issues that may are having.

No, really, you'd be surprised. It's a big issue now. The most common cause is older systems that have had multiple Microsoft and Adobe installs over the years.

Mavericks now adds a diagnostic routine to Font Book where it reports errors if it detects disabled duplicates. Before, the messages go away when you disable dupes. Mavericks wants them gone.
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FWIW, after Mavericks install I had a terrible jerky magic Mouse that didn't work right at all, stalling, dropping out, moving in the wrong direction.. I also use a Magic trackpad, but that seemed to work.. well, mostly.. I thought that Mavericks broke my IO Gear USB bluetooth adapter, and that it was trying to use the internal BT antenna in my mac Pro (which is 40 ft. away in a different room, hence why I use the adapter.). I downloaded the Apple developer's kit, so I could get Bluetooth Explorer, where I found that it was indeed still using my external BT adapter, whenever it was plugged in. Hmmm.

I mentioned this to my Apple guru while I was buying a hard drive for a gift. He said "Oh, that's easy, you probably have a Bluetooth 2.0 adapter.. with Mavericks, Apple threw out all BT 2.0 and went solely with BT 4.0.. they just didn't tell anybody."

So I got a $17 4.0 BT adapter, plugged it in, problem solved, completely, immediately.

Don't know if that will help anyone or not, but I sure am relieved! :wink:
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Mavericks and DP8.05 - little bugs, but growing bigger!

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Well that's interesting. My mouse uses RF, not Bluetooth. Could it be a BT issue?
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