is there a way to launch DP7 on a clone drive easily?

[kgdrum]

OK , I decided to actually try DP7 on a cloned boot drive,I use Superduper.
I installed it but it seems I need to reauthorize about 20 different VI's what a pain in the ...(it would take me days to find all of the sn #'s unless I am missing something obvious.
I tried to not auth the VI's and DP quit before launching (I tried twice)
any suggestions? this is more involving & way more work then I anticipated.
now I understand how much easier this would be if I had kept a folder w/ all of the sn #'s etc....I guess that is next.
As someone said the other day concerning all of these computer distractions,"I miss being a Musician!"
thanks in advance
KG

[1nput0utput]

If you just want to see how DP works on your system and making use of every single plug-in you have isn't that important, remove the offending plug-ins from /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/Components and /Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/MAS on the secondary boot drive.

[kgdrum]

thanks 1nput Output for the great input (as always:)
KG

[Shooshie]

I can't help you with your authorizations. I used a cloned drive only once, and had to reauthorize everything, so I figure either I don't know how to do it, or there's some trick to it, or maybe it just doesn't work without reauthorizing. I just don't know the answer to that.

But I DO have something that has helped me tremendously over the years. I've always used some kind of organizer to keep track of all the little things for which there's no simple way to file them. In the OS9 days, that was IdeaKeeper, which I even helped to develop. But the creator of it lost interest after OSX, so that gradually went away.

Now I use two thing: Little Secretsand Yojimbo. I use Yojimbo for taking notes as I work -- it's always got a little tab sticking out the side of the screen, no matter what app you're in, into which you can drop selected text, dragged URLs, graphics, web pages, documents, bookmarks... pretty much anything. Everything can be encrypted in either app. You can store all kinds of things: receipts, passwords, installation instructions, tech support numbers, etc. For me, every app gets a page of its own, and I keep all info about that app on that page, starting with serial numbers I'd better not forget, and/or passwords, and so on.

Both of these apps have been lifesavers for me. If I had to choose between them, I'd probably take Yojimbo now, but I use both. I won't try to explain. If you try them out, you may favor one, or you may also like both. I've used Little Secrets for as long as it's been out -- many years. Yojimbo I only began using a couple years ago, and it's been slower to catch on for me, but I like the idea that it's so easy to drag something into its little tab from anywhere. I'm using it more and more for note-taking and saving references from the internet. I write things in it which I use elsewhere later. Here's a screenshot of Yojimbo in use.

Anyway, that's a lot of talk just to say "here; put your serial numbers in this." But really it becomes a way of net-life. Put your receipts there, too. Your confirmation numbers, and those entire pages that you're supposed to print out after a transaction? Just drag them into this. But... you have to DO it, and you have to DO it for every piece of software you've got!


Shooshie

[kgdrum]

Hi Shooshie,
These programs look interesting,I will look at both of them.
Maybe I will setup an Excel file for this but either way it is very time consuming to track all of this stuff down and compile all of the info.
I think for now I will wait to hear if other users are happy w/ DP7/PPC/Tiger and if I hear a positive consensus just update my system(I don't have the patience to hunt down all of my auth/serial #'s)
If I don't hear enough DP7/PPC/Tiger positive reports ,I might wait until DP7.01
As someone said the other day concerning all of these computer distractions,"I miss being a Musician!"
Thanks
KG

[willheim]

Dont think so - I have never been able to do it - have tried enough times and talked to enough people to throw in the towel -

it is a pain - best thing to do is stay organized -

I had all my junk alphabetized and put into a binder - here I cram the new stuff - not as elegant as Shoshie's solution, which I may check out.

[dosuna11]

I cloned a drive. I had to reauthorize the reauthorize. I sure don't have a answer. It's the computer ID to start with. I have one binder with all my serial #'s secret handshakes etc. I have also decided to pay my self $200. per app. license fee for the privilege of opening that binder.

[FMiguelez]

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There are a lot of things that will need babysitting and reauthorizing, even if you clone your disk carefully (as you just found out).

I'd listen to Shooshie's advice closer, if I were you... Why don't you take this opportunity to do all this organizing? You know you MUST do it at one point... why not now that you need it anyway?

This basic form of organization is so important. You must be able to be able to reinstall everything easily and quickly, especially if you work with deadlines, in case disaster strikes, in a moment's notice.

I keep an Excel database for this stuff, with detailed installation notes, caveats, procedures, etc., for each app I own, so in a few months, if I have to reinstall my Waves suite, for instance, I won't have to waste hours of time remembering and finding out how to do something like this.
One can easily waste a few days of work with this stuff if not organized properly.

If DP had an iLock, it would be one less thing to worry about. iLocks rule!

[Shooshie]

I have also decided to pay my self $200. per app. license fee for the privilege of opening that binder.

Damn good idea! With THAT business model, my studio just might turn a profit this year.

Shoosh

[kgdrum]

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There are a lot of things that will need babysitting and reauthorizing, even if you clone your disk carefully (as you just found out).

I'd listen to Shooshie's advice closer, if I were you... Why don't you take this opportunity to do all this organizing? You know you MUST do it at one point... why not now that you need it anyway?

This basic form of organization is so important. You must be able to be able to reinstall everything easily and quickly, especially if you work with deadlines, in case disaster strikes, in a moment's notice.

I keep an Excel database for this stuff, with detailed installation notes, caveats, procedures, etc., for each app I own, so in a few months, if I have to reinstall my Waves suite, for instance, I won't have to waste hours of time remembering and finding out how to do something like this.
One can easily waste a few days of work with this stuff if not organized properly.

I will start doing this,I am glad this wasn't an actual disaster w/ a deadline,that would have been catastrophic!
thanks all
KG

[Shooshie]

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There are a lot of things that will need babysitting and reauthorizing, even if you clone your disk carefully (as you just found out).

I'd listen to Shooshie's advice closer, if I were you... Why don't you take this opportunity to do all this organizing? You know you MUST do it at one point... why not now that you need it anyway?

This basic form of organization is so important. You must be able to be able to reinstall everything easily and quickly, especially if you work with deadlines, in case disaster strikes, in a moment's notice.

I keep an Excel database for this stuff, with detailed installation notes, caveats, procedures, etc., for each app I own, so in a few months, if I have to reinstall my Waves suite, for instance, I won't have to waste hours of time remembering and finding out how to do something like this.
One can easily waste a few days of work with this stuff if not organized properly.

If DP had an iLock, it would be one less thing to worry about. iLocks rule!

I agree on all counts. Well, maybe not the Excel route. I love Excel, and I use it for many things, but I kind of like the free-form aspect of Little Secrets, as evidenced in a couple of sample pages from my lengthy list of records:

Here is one of my MOTU pages, containing many orders from MOTU, including their lists from their website. (not visible in the picture)


Compared to the iLok page, to which I simply copied all the iLok stuff (those aren't screenshots; they're the tables right off the iLok site) See? The free-form aspect has its advantages



But back to the organization. Just START. You don't have to put them all in there today. Just add something every day. Five minutes or less per day. I've been doing this for many years with records going back into the 1990s. I just drag stuff off of web pages, or copy/paste it, and it has grown into a formidable records database, where each record retains some of the character of its source. That is more than for looks; it also gives me better recall of the situation at any given time. I've used this stuff on the phone with people to my advantage quite regularly. All the links are active and will take you to actual web pages. This stuff is useful!

The point is that if you start now, it will grow. If you make it a habit, it will be useful to you always.

Shooshie

[dosuna11]

One other thing I do is when the final codes come across from registering an app I take a screen shot of it and store it in a folder with the dmg. of that app. as well as print it for my codes binder.

[JD]

This is how i was able to keep my 10.5 install intacted and upgrade to 10.6 with dp7 and always be able to go back if needed. i read it somewhere on the net but don't remember exactly but it worked liked a charm. i never had to reauthorize any of my plugs, but maybe i was just lucky.

This requires 2 partitions minimum on 1 disk, or a multiple disk system.
I first backed up my 2nd partition to an external so I could have disk utility wipe it as it cloned 10.5. The destination partition has to be as large or larger in GB as the source. If i remember correctly this includes all free space. If you only have 20GB being used on a 60GB drive, you would still need a 60GB destination for the clone to work.

1. Boot from CD
2. Launch Disk Utility, and navigate to "Restore"
3. Drag the source partition from the left pane into the source slot
4. Drag the destination partition from the left pane into the destination slot.
5. Click "Restore"
6. Disk utility makes a bootable clone of the source to the destination

I then confirmed both partitions where bootable. I then installed 10.6 right on top of the cloned partition. everything went smoothly. i then installed DP7. out of curiosity i just launched DP7 and i did not have any issues with NI, Rob Papen or IK multimedia authorizations. I did update my pace for MX4 and the ilok per DP readme file.

i can now work in 10.5 or 10.6. i would prefer to do a clean install of 10.6 but i wanted to see if i could install overtop w/o any issues to speed up the install process.

i've been using it for about a week and haven't had any issues other than writer's block. but that's no fault of Motu.

[HCMarkus]

...and if you keep additional boot partitions available, you don't have to boot from CD, just boot from any partition other than the one you intend to clone.

[newrigel]

OK , I decided to actually try DP7 on a cloned boot drive,I use Superduper.
I installed it but it seems I need to reauthorize about 20 different VI's what a pain in the ...(it would take me days to find all of the sn #'s unless I am missing something obvious.
I tried to not auth the VI's and DP quit before launching (I tried twice)
any suggestions? this is more involving & way more work then I anticipated.
now I understand how much easier this would be if I had kept a folder w/ all of the sn #'s etc....I guess that is next.
As someone said the other day concerning all of these computer distractions,"I miss being a Musician!"
thanks in advance
KG

I know DP (the same version) will NOT let you install it on two drives on the same computer without reauthorizing on launch! Two different versions maybe but not the same OS and version of DP w/o reauthorization. You MUST reauthorize every time you launch with multiple copies on a machine... it's copy protection.
I use Carbon Copy Cloner and I only needed to authorize DP and Altiverb when I back up or clone a drive. Maybe SD doesn't get everything as far as hidden files etc. but I know for a FACT that I have cloned my system drive for backup and had to only authorize two of my hundreds of plugs. Of course this is on the same computer to the same drive. Cloning to another drive you have to re-authorize because the system ID will change. If you open up that plugin off a drive on the same computer then when you launch off another drive from that same computer... you HAVE to reauthorize... no way around it! You cannot have 2 copies of an authorization (the same versions) on 2 drives legally on a computer! You can only back it up or you will have to reauthorize on every boot. The only way around this is iLok.
You can do as stated before... just move the plugs out of the plugins folder... you'll get the dialog stating you have missing plugs but just click OK and move ahead.
For future thought, I copy all my plugins installers with serials to a USB 320 GB drive with SN's in each installers folder... it makes rebuilding my system way faster than putting in optical disks because I keep those in the safe! And it is legal to do it (only 1 copy though) for backup reasons.
And Disk Utility will clone a drive... it just takes forever to do a scan of the restore (there's no way around it) which you don't have to deal with with CCC.
CCC rocks!