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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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Put the spinner in an external case and use it for backup for your laptop. If you use it as your boot drive, you will find it agonizingly slow.
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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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FMiguelez wrote:I am stuck with my setting for tracking, which is set at the highest (1024).

I simply can NOT change the buffer size without DP restarting the engine and messing up ALL (no exceptions) my VI bundles (they all get replaced by "Waves xxxx.....").
This is a big problem. FM, have you considered re-installing DP? The behavior you are experiencing is atypical.
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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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HCMarkus wrote:
FMiguelez wrote:I am stuck with my setting for tracking, which is set at the highest (1024).

I simply can NOT change the buffer size without DP restarting the engine and messing up ALL (no exceptions) my VI bundles (they all get replaced by "Waves xxxx.....").
This is a big problem. FM, have you considered re-installing DP? The behavior you are experiencing is atypical.
I don't know what's causing that, FM, but you've gotta get that fixed. There's no way it should be doing that. Maybe replacing it is the key. Maybe some pref is the key. Maybe MOTU knows the answer. But you can't let that thing hold your work hostage!

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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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HCMarkus wrote: This is a big problem. FM, have you considered re-installing DP? The behavior you are experiencing is atypical.
Yes. I've tried it many times :(
It has happened for as long as I can remember throughout every version (since my G5).

It also happens right now on a different computer with El Capitan and DP9.02. My main system currently has Yosemite and DP9.02.

All my VI-realted bundles change to this>

Waves ReWire:Waves Mix-L 1-Waves Mix-R 2


And I have hundreds of those... So that's why I'm stuck for tracking with my trusty Roland. But sometimes I feel it really slows me down. The only good thing about this mandated approach is that it lets me concentrate 100% one the music, not the sound of the instruments, and it usually is a good thing at that stage WHEN THERE IS TIME... sadly, that doesn't happen very often.

That, and the fact that I designed my template to be quick and able to record the music using the actual VIs with CCs and keyswitches at the same time. I even bought my Novation keyboard for that purpose... Since the latency is too great, even when setting VE Pro to "none", and I can't change buffer size without loosing my bundles, I'm stuck with Roland and a permanent buffer size of 1024 :(


So I take it this doesn't happen to you or anyone else? :shock:
I don't think I remember hearing about it here ever.

A lot of you use Waves too, so I'd be really curious to hear from you on this issue.
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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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Shooshie wrote: I don't know what's causing that, FM, but you've gotta get that fixed. There's no way it should be doing that. Maybe replacing it is the key. Maybe some pref is the key. Maybe MOTU knows the answer. But you can't let that thing hold your work hostage!
I know, Shoosh. I guess it's so old and I'm so used to doing this, that now that I mentioned it I realize how actually ANNOYING it is. :lol:

I think it is the one remaining and last issue I have to fix in my setup, since it must be slowing me down by at least 30%.

I MUST ADD A VERY IMPORTANT CLUE:

This only happens to VI bundles of VIs whose V-Rack is NOT currently active (on).

If the corresponding VI-Rack is activated, then the bundles remain normally.
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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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You use some Waves stuff, right, Shoosh?

I'm trying to figure out which plug in causes this. It must be a Waves one with Rewire capabilities.
Can you check in your bundles window if you see in the Instruments tab, in the horizontal pane, a bundle called "Waves ReWire:Waves Mix-L 1"

I mean, do you even see it there?
'Cause I always see it there, and I am positive I only installed the AU versions and nothing to do with Rewire. I don't even have a Propellerhead product in my computer...
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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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FMiguelez wrote:I am stuck with my setting for tracking, which is set at the highest (1024).

I simply can NOT change the buffer size without DP restarting the engine and messing up ALL (no exceptions) my VI bundles (they all get replaced by "Waves xxxx.....").

So, what I do, is I record my performances and orchestrate using my hardware JV 2080 synth with zero latency. Once I finish, I copy the Roland tracks to the relevant VI MIDI tracks for the substitution. Afterwards, I just delete the Roland stuff and work with the VIs normally.

I know it sucks, but DP will not let me change the buffer size without messing my VI bundles. And I'm VERY annoyed about it, since I could work much faster by playing and controlling kewswitches at the same time with the actual instruments I will use... :(

When I record singers, I use my external Tascam mixer, so they don't hear any latency with my highest setting.
Have you tried other DAWs? I certainly would.
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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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e-snobben wrote: Have you tried other DAWs? I certainly would.
Not really... I LOVE DP too much :)

I am, however, slowly building an alternative set of non-Waves plug-ins (if Waves happens to be the culprit, which I doubt for this point), but I admit I'm too far "in bed" with them to suddenly stop using them (is that a term in English?), since I use them in most of my projects, old and new, and I invested too much time and money with them already.

It'll take me a while...
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HCMarkus wrote:Put the spinner in an external case and use it for backup for your laptop.
I did at first. Then I realized I would not be able to backup both my Mac Pro and my MacBook Pro on it so I bought a 1 TB disk and partitioned it. Nowadays I hardly use the Mac Pro, but that's the way it goes I guess. New stuff replaces old stuff, although nothing is broken. I could use it as a second backup of course.
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So I take it this doesn't happen to you or anyone else? :shock:
I don't think I remember hearing about it here ever.
I've never had an issue like you describe FM.

What if you start a project from scratch, not using your template... Do you still have the same issue?
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FMiguelez wrote:You use some Waves stuff, right, Shoosh?

I'm trying to figure out which plug in causes this. It must be a Waves one with Rewire capabilities.
Can you check in your bundles window if you see in the Instruments tab, in the horizontal pane, a bundle called "Waves ReWire:Waves Mix-L 1"

I mean, do you even see it there?
'Cause I always see it there, and I am positive I only installed the AU versions and nothing to do with Rewire. I don't even have a Propellerhead product in my computer...
I have Waves, and I see the ReWire channels, but I haven't had it mix up my bundles in a long, long time. Could be because of the way I work, but I don't know that for sure.

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Re: What buffer size do you track with?

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Shooshie wrote:
FMiguelez wrote:You use some Waves stuff, right, Shoosh?

I'm trying to figure out which plug in causes this. It must be a Waves one with Rewire capabilities.
Can you check in your bundles window if you see in the Instruments tab, in the horizontal pane, a bundle called "Waves ReWire:Waves Mix-L 1"

I mean, do you even see it there?
'Cause I always see it there, and I am positive I only installed the AU versions and nothing to do with Rewire. I don't even have a Propellerhead product in my computer...
I have Waves, and I see the ReWire channels, but I haven't had it mix up my bundles in a long, long time. Could be because of the way I work, but I don't know that for sure.

Shooshie
Nah! We do different stuff, but as far as I can see, we mostly use similar workflows for similar things, based on previous posts.
So if you don't see your bundles getting replaced when you switch buffer size, that suggests there's probably something's wrong with my installation or something.

Which leads me to this...
HCMarkus wrote:
So I take it this doesn't happen to you or anyone else? :shock:
I don't think I remember hearing about it here ever.
I've never had an issue like you describe FM.

What if you start a project from scratch, not using your template... Do you still have the same issue?
That is one thing I've never tried!
I certainly will. Thanks!
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