What's NOT fixed in DP 8.02 [semi-resolved]

[Kubi]

Not that this has anything to do with anything, but you should get QT7 Pro anyway. (Is it still available?) It's $29 and it is a swiss army knife for video. Couldn't live without it.

[dix]

A new graphics card won't make any difference to Firewire video output. A new graphics card makes a difference to onscreen movie playback, if you have an old graphics card in an older Intel Mac.

Thanks Dave!

Yes, I know the card won't effect Firewire output. I was hoping playing .DVs on an NTSC monitor via Firewire would take the burden off my old video card, but .DVs DVCPro50 or otherwise don't play at all for me (exact same experience as MLC above). Do they for you?

And I've tried many different codecs and movie sizes, but they all drag down my system dramatically. Smaller ones do it less so, but it's still effectively unusable. It's time for me to get a new video card for sure. …and for motu to fix .dv support m'be?

I've just opened and played a DV file in DP 8.02 with no problems. I made the DV file by opening an H.264 Quicktime file and exporting it from Quicktime Pro using DV/DVCPRO - NTSC. If you'd like to send me a short video clip that won't play for you, I'll take a look at that on my own system.

What are you using to move the video through the Firewire port to the NTSC monitor? A Canopus box?

Dave
magicd@motu.com

Progress!

Exporting as you describe does create a file that DP8 can play. In the past I've always exported via "Movie to DV Stream", but using "Movie to QuickTime Movie" and setting the compression to "DV/DVCPRO - NTSC", as you suggest, creates a flavor of DV that DP8 likes (Dave - I bet if you created a DV via "Movie to DV Stream" you'd create something unusable, but I don't see a need to bother at this point). And better yet, outputting this via Firewire to an NTSC monitor removes the massive drag on my system that movies played from within DP, on my computer monitor, creates. I do get "The selected video file's framerate is not supported on the selected video hardware with the selected video mode." from DP no matter which Firewire type I choose, when I send the video to my Canopus ADVC (fyi), but the video seems to be playing back okay on the short tests I've done - any suggestions about that issue'd be appreciated however.

The only real problem now is that DP8 itself is sluggish when there's a movie involved. DP7 is much, much smoother so I will have to continue on in 7 for the time being, until I can afford a new video card. ...i *assume* a newer video card would help this. i'm wondering if users on newer macs are experiencing sticky wiper etc. when dp8 is playing a movie.

Thanks so much for your help Dave! I'm sure I'll get this all sorted eventually.

[Kubi]

Silly question: could part of the sluggishness you describe be due to running this in OS 10.6? Just curious. Most of my work is in film, and I'm still on DP7 at the moment, but would love to update soon, now that video is more or less fixed. And I'm running OS10.7 ( and probably soon 10.8 )... Anybody else have general sluggish behavior when running video in DP8, compared to doing the same in DP7?

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Nope. Smooth as silk here in ML 10.8.3 and DP 8.

[dix]

Nope. Smooth as silk here in ML 10.8.3 and DP 8.

Hmm. But is it the OS or your video card that's making your system smoother than mine (and others)? Both m'be?

[toodamnhip]

It sounds like this is only a video forum, yikes!!

Here’s a new issue for the thread.
I don;t know who’s fault it is but VE Pro isn;t synced with DP 8.02 when running loops unless VE’s buffers are set to “none”.

I have also posted at Vienna.

It SHOULD BE that whether VEs buffers are at “none” or “4x”, auditioning drum loops or fills in a program like Superior drummer or Stylus RMX loops results in play back that is IN SYNC.

But if VEs buffers are above “none”, the loops or fills or ANY tempo based VI performance is out.
So something is NOT getting the message.
Either DP is sending funky info to VE Pro, or VE pro is retarded, something is amiss.
I was seriously hoping DP 8.02 would handle this, though I know not WHOs program IS the culprit here.

And something good---Thank you MOTU for putting back the copy and paste of plug ins, whew, I really missed that when 8.01 broke it.

[Prime Mover]

MLC, I've found that very few video programs have good QuickTime output, mostly because QuickTime itself isn't really a format, and you can achieve exactly the same results with other containers. As magic dave suggested, H.264 (typically in an mp4 container) is identical in every way to a large percentage of QuickTime videos. MPEG2 is a very nice, very common broadcast quality video standard, and it's its own container, so there's no complexity there. Might think about ditching the whole .mov container type, I can't see much use for it outside of ProRes or various RGBA formats (Animation or PNG codec), and that's only useful for compositing. I'm not sadistic enough to send anyone a ProRes file, people have done it to me and I've wanted to rip their heads off!

Oh, and if you're out there supplying people with ProRes files, CUT IT OUT!!! The world doesn't revolve around Final Cut Pro, you know!

Sorry, just had to get that out.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

It's rare for me to have to send anyone a movie file for actual use, but it happens as I've done some video editing in a pinch. For web stuff it's easy enough, they usually want something that's for iPhone and QT 7 exports that nicely. For DVD production (which I am kind of in the middle of as a favor for a friend) I'm using FC Express 3.5 (still works in ML!) and as long as I keep it at 780 x 420 and simply use EXPORT to QT everyone seems happy. Once this one is done I'll not take on another DVD video project except to do the score and sound design. It's just not worth the time and effort and I have "better" fish to fry.

[MIDI Life Crisis]

As far as using movies to score from, I generally use QT7 to dumb down whatever I get sent in full res. I don't usually need a very large playback movie to work with and I also have to be sure Finale will take the movie since all my scoring for live musicians is done in Finale start to finish. No DP involved ever.

[philnicholl]

I'm afraid I haven't been on Motunation for a while so this may have been covered elsewhere, but one issue that I loved about DP8 was that finally my mixer window stayed as I'd set it up when I moved between Tracks and Mixer tabs of the CW. When I've set up the tracks I want in the mixer I really DON'T want the layout to change unless I change the selected tracks in the mixer.

Finally in DP 8.0 and in DP 8.01 this was the case. But in DP 8.02 MOTU have decided to 'restore' the phenomenon whereby if you work in the tracks tab and return to the mixer tab, only the tracks that you had previously 'selected' in the tracks tab are displayed. I'm working on a 15" MacBook Pro and so don't have room on screen to pop out a window for my mixer. This is only an issue with changing between the tracks and the mixer tabs as other in tab windows - sequence for example - the sidebar track selector allows for independent selections.

Am I missing something? I hope I am. Is there a way to lock the tracks displayed in the mixer tab so that changes to the displayed tracks can only be made in that tab? I loved the way it was working in DP 8.01. Why, oh why has it been changed back? I would like to contact MOTU directly about this to suggest that at least this issue could be addressed with a preferences option but can't find a way to contact on their website. If there has been demand for a restoration of the old DP7 behaviour, a preferences option to make track selection changes in the mixer tab 'sticky' would allow those of us who loved the change to DP8 to keep what we had been waiting for.

[Gravity Jim]

Sorry you;re having trouble, Jim, but at least I know it's not necessarily my system. I'm in a 3,1 8 core, BTW.

MLC, I have the same machine... hard to believe that would be it, though. I'll check my Waveshell version, but I'm pretty much always running the latest version of anything on my audio Mac.

[Maxx]

Sorry to say, but a few things remain unattended to...

1 - Bounce to disk to a Quicktime still doesn't offer any options, such as save as referenced movie.

2 - Waves Gold Ultrapitch and other pitch related plugs in that package still don't show up. They appear in the plugin (preferences) as passed and reexamining them they pass again, but they are M.I.A. in the Apply Audio and mixer/channel strip.

As time goes by, I'll report on any other issues. Please post any you might find here.

Hi MIDI - does Invert Phase plug show up in your DP 8? It's M.I.A in mine (and 7.24 since I installed DP

[Dan Worley]

I'm afraid I haven't been on Motunation for a while so this may have been covered elsewhere, but one issue that I loved about DP8 was that finally my mixer window stayed as I'd set it up when I moved between Tracks and Mixer tabs of the CW. When I've set up the tracks I want in the mixer I really DON'T want the layout to change unless I change the selected tracks in the mixer.

Finally in DP 8.0 and in DP 8.01 this was the case. But in DP 8.02 MOTU have decided to 'restore' the phenomenon whereby if you work in the tracks tab and return to the mixer tab, only the tracks that you had previously 'selected' in the tracks tab are displayed. I'm working on a 15" MacBook Pro and so don't have room on screen to pop out a window for my mixer. This is only an issue with changing between the tracks and the mixer tabs as other in tab windows - sequence for example - the sidebar track selector allows for independent selections.

Am I missing something? I hope I am. Is there a way to lock the tracks displayed in the mixer tab so that changes to the displayed tracks can only be made in that tab? I loved the way it was working in DP 8.01. Why, oh why has it been changed back? I would like to contact MOTU directly about this to suggest that at least this issue could be addressed with a preferences option but can't find a way to contact on their website. If there has been demand for a restoration of the old DP7 behaviour, a preferences option to make track selection changes in the mixer tab 'sticky' would allow those of us who loved the change to DP8 to keep what we had been waiting for.

http://www.motunation.com/forum/viewtop ... 30#p455927

[Gravity Jim]

On the Waves Ultrapitch thing:

I finally had some time today to reinstall V9, which updated the Waveshells. I was on 9.1, the update intalled 9.2.x. As predicted, this fixed the problem... I can load the Ultrapitch plugs just fine now.

How is it that Waves didn't hip me to this? Anyway, thanks for the tip!

[MIDI Life Crisis]

Well this is getting damn confusing. The Waves folder in my applications folder has both 9.1 and 9.2 shells. My System library (audio>Plug ins/VST has 9.2.30.1 (Build 3342) but I still don't see the Ultrapitch - but ONLY in DP8. DP7 and Plogue Bidule still see it just fine.

Grrrrr........